15 AMP Service Meter?

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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How could this be on a 100 amp service panel? It’s a 1928 installation.


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Oh, and Jerry, I knew you would want to see what it was hooked up to.



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Originally Posted By: psabados
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Jeff comes through with another one. icon_biggrin.gif Nice pics


Paul

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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There were actually two identical FPE panels on this property (a duplex with two service drops).


Looks like the service drop was an "original 1928 installation" also.

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Originally Posted By: tallen
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Unbelievable icon_eek.gif


Jeff you are the electrical fax pau magnet.


However that is a typo. You should pull the meter and sell it on ebay

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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tallen wrote:
You should pull the meter and sell it on ebay ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)


Actually, I think the DWP was on their way to replace it as they did with the other one.





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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Actually the JS meter dates from the 40s and that triplex drop is probably late 70s or newer.


http://www.watthourmeters.com/sangamo/j.html

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Originally Posted By: Randy Flockton
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Jeff,


I thought the same thing when I first saw one of these old meters… But per an SDG&E Planner I asked about this, the 15A/3.6KW is simply the current that was/is to be used when calibrating the meter. The meter’s load rating would be denoted by the letters “CL” preceeding a number (IE CL100, CL200, etc…) Same markings only my meter was a Westinghouse. SDG&E gave the ok for 100A on it


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Thanks Randy icon_biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Jeff


Two 'drops' on a residential application is not allowed.

While there are many exception to 230 NEC they do not apply to residential property.

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Mike,


I read 230. I saw the exceptions, but did not recognize that they were not permitted for residential applications. Where is this reference?

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Joe


I am using the 1993 NEC. 230.2 "A building or other structure shall be supplied by only one service".

""Where more than one service is permmited by any of the following exceptions,...."

Show me an exception for a residential application.

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Mike,


Show me where the exception is limited to commercial applications only. It is embedded within an entire section which pertains to commercial and residential applications. No where does it state that it is limited to commercial only.

I am reading the 1999 NEC. You are referring to 230.2, where it's pretty clear. 230.2 (a) through (c) has it covered. It's (d). that is the loophole, IMO.

An example would be a legal 2-family dwellng, where a group home for disabled children gets a different rate than the other occupants. It would be an odd exception, but an exception nevertheless. I believe that, based upon exception (d), a second drop would be permitted. (BTW, I've never actually seen a second drop. I'm just arguing for the sake of arguing... my point being that the NEC is confusing as hell and is open to interpretation).

My final point was for you to show me where it states that any exception is limited to commercial applications only. Section 230 pertains to all, as far as I can tell, and the allowable exceptions is not stated as being limited.

Section 230 has many applicatioins relative to commercial and residential buildings, which furthers my argument. 230-40 deals specifically with residential applications and related exceptions. If the exceptions were limited, I believe they would be stated as such.

In 230-40, the exceptions are laid out in a clear and concise manner, and the reader knows which application (residential or commercial) it speaks to. Absent of any verbal delineation, one must assume that the rule or exception as stated in 230-2 applies to all installations, as ther is nothing within that particular portion of the Section that states anything to the contrary.

Am I wrong? If so, please explain why.

Geez... and I'm not even a code guy. Why am I arguing this? ![icon_rolleyes.gif](upload://iqxt7ABYC2TEBomNkCmZARIrQr6.gif)

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Originally Posted By: jpope
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It was two separate dwellings with two street addresses, however, the title information shows it as one property for use as a “duplex.”


Does it still apply?

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Jeff


Yes.

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Mike,


You havent shown me, in your code reference, why it cannot be done under certain circumstances.

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Jeff,


We have semi attached residences around here, separated by a demizing wall. Same shared structure. Two street addresses. Two separate sets of overheads. Two meters. If this is what you are speaking of, it is allowed, and is installed this way on tens of thousands of homes throughout the US.

We call them duplexes as well, or semi-attached homes

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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Joe


Read the first line.

230.2 "A building or other structure shall be supplied by only one service".

Maybe we are not on the same page. Read the def. of a service.

Mike P.

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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In this instance, there are two physically separated structures, with 2 physical addresses, and two separate service drops. Its like if I owned my house and the house next door. Are you telling me that only one service drop is legal?

Jeff described 2 service drops, with 2 meter pans, to 2 separate buildings, with 2 addresses. BTW, the power company has blessed the configuration and has supplied two meters. Which means that the configuration was also blessed by the local AHJ. Stating that this is not allowed is a tough argument to win.

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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Here is an interesting thread on services in a duplex. How would you writte up a service feeder running through the neighbor’s attic?


http://www.iaeifl.org/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=26&t=000084

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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What a nightmare scenario. In the stated instance, the zero lot line is the demizing wall between the two dwellings within the single structure.


Where we live, the typical scenario would be two separate feeds, to two separate sides of the property. In some instances, the meter pans are co-located, and have service disconnects. The indicidual primary sup-panels are then installed in each dwelling, and cable routes are typically encased on conduits and concrete.

Unless there is an easement, it is a legal nightmare, and one owner could easily order the cable removed. If condo owner A's house burnds down because condo owner b refused to maintan the cable, what then?

In 5 years, would condo owner B have the rithr to the attic of condo unit A under adverse posession laws?

Again, more legal than code related, initially.

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