# ASHI members going bullistic over CMI Terms of Use. **URL:** \ **Category:** Misc. Discussion\ **Created:** [January 17, 2006, 1:49am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/ashi-members-going-bullistic-over-cmi-terms-of-use/633 "2006-01-17T01:49:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gromicko](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/gromicko/32/58172_2.png) [@gromicko](https://forum.nachi.org/u/gromicko)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:45am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/ashi-members-going-bullistic-over-cmi-terms-of-use/633/41 "2006-01-19T04:45:24Z")
Joe M: I agree with your entire last post with only one minor exception. Not all exams/quizes are meant to determine competency only. Every exam and quiz we have has an additional and very EDUCATIONAL purpose… that is to alert the exam taker to where he/she is weak. The clearest example of this in action (a quiz being educational) is our own Standards of Practice Quiz which is NOT EVEN GRADED. Its not graded because its purpose is NOT to permit the taker to demonstrate competency to a bureaucat. Its purpose is 100% EDUCATIONAL. It educates the taker as to where he/she may either be _over_ or _under_ inspecting. Here it is: [http://www.nachi.org/sopquiz.htm](http://www.nachi.org/sopquiz.htm) When one views quizes and exams (especially ours which reveal taker weakness) as educational… one must then see CMI’s requirements [http://www.nachi.org/cmirequirements.htm](http://www.nachi.org/cmirequirements.htm) in a different light. CMI then becomes (among other requirements)… - an exam, - a course, - a quiz, - 48 hours of continuing education, - another course, - some more quizes, - another course, - some more quizes, - another exam, - another exam, - an educational seminar, - another course, - some more quizes, \*]and another exam. Sure sounds like “education” to me. ---
**Author:** ![gbeaumont](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/gbeaumont/32/1094_2.png) [@gbeaumont](https://forum.nachi.org/u/gbeaumont)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/ashi-members-going-bullistic-over-cmi-terms-of-use/633/42 "2006-01-19T05:14:47Z")
> [@jmichalski](#): > > Gerry, > > Please do not be offended by my vocal opposition to teh CMI. I am sure the test is of excellent quality - the decription and methods of development alone appear to be of the top quality. > > The CMI is **NOT** “all about education” as Nick would like to think. It is _ **partly** _ about education, but only so far as taking one class and retaining the information long enough to pass the test can qualify as education. Now a series of tests (as is required for the ICC Building Inspector title)…_that’s_ all about education! > > The NHIE is not that hard, fellas. It isn’t a joke as Nick suggests, but it isn’t even the Home Inspection equivilent of the SAT. Let’s stop making it more than it is. It is a standardized test. Big deal. I took it, I passed, I don’t even market it because it is such an insignificant qualification. > > Am I glad I did? Sure. But it didn’t make me any better an inspector than I was the day before I took it. In fact, it will mean less than my termite and radon certs will since I know that those will generate revenue and can be effectively marketed! > > Now ICC Certified - THAT will mean something to me. That is a lot of education and testing to go through and I am certain I will come out of it a better inspector than when I began. > > CMI? I think the test will be an improvement over the NHIE, but everything about it bothers me, especially the fact it will segregate NACHI members. > > Not exactly the equivelent of a master-level comprehension of concepts. > > The time and inspection thresholds are very low for something that bears the title “Master”. Michael, I am in no way offended, if fact you may be surprised to know that I am personally not a fan of CMI in its present form, that is not to say that it is worthless rather that it still has someways to go. Nick brought up the example of using an exam myself and the education committee had previously developed, and I do strongly feel that standardized testing should be a part of the CMI model (hell we have the best model in the industry to do it with). I do agree somewhat with the concept that all industry designations are pointless unless they are like the ICC certifications accepted by all parties connected to property inspection. Like yourself I believe that anything including the word “Master” should be of a demostrably higher standard. Which in my case I translate as members who wish to achieve CMI status being able to demonstrate a level of knowledge above that of an entry level inspector. BTW if you care to search the old board, this is the position I have held for 2 years now. Regards Gerry ---
**Author:** ![jmichalski](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jmichalski/32/2156_2.png) [@jmichalski](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jmichalski)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 2:19pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/ashi-members-going-bullistic-over-cmi-terms-of-use/633/43 "2006-01-19T14:19:58Z")
OK, Nick. I will concede that it does sound like several courses, not a single course. I am not sure that taking several courses, or a series of them (or even 48 hours worht) was clearly written into the CMI requiremetns you linked to. If you are counting the NACHI membership requirements as quizzes and courses, then I think we should make a serious attempt to separate the concepts (since this is an additional designation) and talk about only what relates to the CMI (membership is a pre-requisite, so those courses/tests are not part of this discussion). Gerry, I agree more with you that it should be a top-level, difficult to obtain designation and should have a heavy educational coponent. I would like to see it modeled after the ICC certification (which, by the way, does NOT force inspectors to take time off to travel to attend a physical class anywhere!). I would still prefer to see the idea dry up and blow away… ---
**Author:** ![bwiley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8c91f0/32.png) [@bwiley](https://forum.nachi.org/u/bwiley)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/ashi-members-going-bullistic-over-cmi-terms-of-use/633/44 "2006-01-19T16:58:07Z")
I am with Gerry, and I’ve never like the term “Master”. ---
**Author:** ![jschwartz1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jschwartz1/32/1389_2.png) [@jschwartz1](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jschwartz1)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/ashi-members-going-bullistic-over-cmi-terms-of-use/633/45 "2006-01-19T17:00:46Z")
Joe M: Thanks. **VOTE\_FOR\_CMI\_NOW!** ]([http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthread.php?t=846](http://www.nachi.org/forum/showthread.php?t=846)) [Previous page](https://forum.nachi.org/t/ashi-members-going-bullistic-over-cmi-terms-of-use/633.md?page=2)