Biden's plan to double the size of the IRS will hurt America in 5 ways:

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This article contradicts what most of you are saying.
" Charles P. Rettig, the Internal Revenue Service commissioner, told Congress on Thursday that the tax collection agency would not increase audits of households earning less than $400,000 if it was given the additional $80 billion"

“These resources are absolutely not about increasing audit scrutiny on small businesses or middle-income Americans,” Mr. Retting wrote in a letter to lawmakers. “As we have been planning, our investment of these enforcement resources is designed around Treasury’s directive that audit rates will not rise relative to recent years for households making under $400,000.”

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Households with over $400,000 in income represent less than 2% of the population and only 25% of the revenue. To reach their goals, they will need to go after the rest of the revenue. Remember that bit about the IRS getting annual reporting of any bank account having more than $600 in transactions that got huge public backlash? Were they targeting billionaires with that concept? Nope. Ultimately the IRS top brass are politicians and what they say and what they do are usually two entirely different things. In this case, the IRS chief is fearful of upsetting his boss and is toeing the Biden party-line. Don’t buy into it.

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Is that the same government that said in 1916 that the income tax was only going to be levied on the top 1%? Is that the same government that said in 1940 that withholding would only occur to fund WWII and that it would end after WWII? Is that the same government that takes $5 out of every hour a single mother works earning $22?

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I doubt they can even get 5,000 additional agents! The salary starting salary will be around $38,000 with the average salary after 3 years around $51,000! If you are a CPA, your salary will be higher.

This is just a sample of what is needed to be considered for the job from the IRS website: In order to become an IRS special agent, you can expect to follow steps similar to the ones below plus 15 week course at FLETC.

  1. Acquire the degree and/or experience needed to become an IRS special agent.(4 year degree)
  2. Find and apply for an open IRS special agent job on the USAJOBS website.
  3. Take and pass a drug test.
  4. Take and pass a physical examination.
  5. Undergo a full background investigation.
  6. Undergo a tax audit.
  7. Take and pass a drug test.
  8. Be interviewed.
  9. Be hired as an IRS special agent.
  10. Receive on-the-job training as an IRS special agent. 15 week training course at FLETC with additional training.
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Lol… You guys are real rubes.
Trump helped gut the IRS. The first bill introduced by House Republicans in 2011 was a budget that slashed funding across the government and took special aim at the IRS .

You don’t care the wealthy don’t pay taxes. Lol… Rubes.

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The top 1% income earners pay 40% of taxes collected. High income earners basically carry most of the tax burden for America.

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It makes no reference to the proportion of income the rich earn.
One of the sad constants of American political debate is that, anytime the tax rate on the rich is to be either raised or lowered, Republicans will repeat a certain statistic. To wit, “The Stat” is that the highest-earning one percent of taxpayers pay 40 percent of all income taxes.

Its a ruse to dupe the middle class.

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I’ve never been audited, but I got a letter a few months ago from the IRS with a bill due for $62 plus interest, saying I underpaid my 2021 taxes. I logged into the IRS/Fed Gov. website and paid my $62 electronically. About two weeks later I received a check in the mail for $31 from the IRS as “refund on overpayment of tax.” No explanation in any of the letters on why the $62 was owed or why they decided to give half of it back, lol.

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Just a wild guess, but I going to go out on a limb and say you are a little on the liberal side!

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Taxes know no political affiliation. Politicizing from the Rich does.

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If you work hard and earn more money, you should get to keep all of it after a certain point. Maybe anything over $200K is yours to keep. You certainly shouldn’t have to pay a higher percent for being extra productive. The system is backwards.

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They need to get ready for the next IRS penalty change where anyone making under $200K a year and is audited will be executed at their whim whether their taxes were correct or not! It’s the Loony Left’s way of reducing carbon emissions to save the planet. :wink:

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I’m in the middle. I think a flat 10% tax is enough. Everyone can pay the same percentage, which is fair. Rich people make more, they can pay more. Poor people have less, they can pay less.
(If God only needs 10%, why does uncle Sam need so much more?) :innocent:

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Hey Nick, I love what you do and I quite often agree with your points in general, but I just don’t see it with this one.

  1. It costs us Americans more money to hire more government employees.

Of course it does. At least in this case they will be generating more revenue than they are expending.

  1. All those additional IRS agents are not going to be in the free market producing goods and services

Not true. Everyone of these salary workers will be spending their paychecks in the free market, buying the goods and services that we the people are selling in this capitalist society. Think of it as a stimulus package where the government actually receives a direct benefit from the money it is spending. This is a really good thing. And don’t forget, they pay taxes on their earnings from the IRS :slight_smile:

  1. Those IRS agents will collect more taxes from us.

Not true again. They will be collecting the taxes that are legally owed. The money that we are obligated to pay but some of us and our businesses have been skirting will finally come due. Again, I don’t see how this is a bad thing. This is making sure that everybody follows the law and I see it as extremely fair.

  1. It will result in Americans spending more time doing paperwork and fighting audits to try to keep OUR money that we earned.

If you’re being audited, yes. If your taxes are on the up and up, no. We do pay money that we’ve earned, that is absolutely true. But remember that the United States charges less taxes then most other countries with similar per capita incomes. If you want military, police, teachers, representatives, national parks, Medicare, social security, roads, or any other service that the government provides, a citizen and their business has to pay.

  1. And lastly, the extra money they collect will go to the government.

Yup. They’ve done a lot of horrible things. But they’ve done a lot of good stuff. They have covered my mother’s cancer treatment for the last 4 years. They eliminated bin Laden, al Baghdadi, Zawahri. As massive as this population is and is divided we are, the gov has done a pretty good job of keeping everybody together and maintaining one of the highest qualities of life for its hard-working citizens in the world.

There are some things in this new build back better bill that I do not agree with, but I honestly feel that spending the money on improving the IRS is one thing the majority of people should be able to get behind.

Not trying to start a fight with you brother, I just see this through another lens that some people might want to consider.

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Interesting perspective. Let us give it to the government so it can make it’s way back to us. In the interim, let’s be sure to layer as much bureaucracy and waste as possible.

No they haven’t. We have. I am ok with it, and I hope her the best. But just keep in mind, the government has accomplished this the most inefficient way possible.

That is their job which I will happily pay for.

I am not sure what keeping us together means. But I agree, as long as we adhere to the constitution and the fundamentals of our republic we might be able to keep it together.

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10% is about double what they need. All they need to do is restrict their activities to those that the constitution affords them.

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This ^^^^^^

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What part of the constitution is that?
Other than this.
" Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 : The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; . . . 240 U.S. at 12."
Just asking!

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Pretty simple. Defend our sovereignty, oversee international relations, adjudicate disagreements between the various states.

No welfare programs
No college loan programs
No funding of studies on the sex habits of shrimp on cocane.

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Yup, inefficient and bureaucratic I agree. If you want efficiency in government, look to China as an example of how to do things. :slight_smile:

Our gov can be improved, just as all big organizations can be improved. I feel that this is an improvement on a massive hole in one of the most important department of US government there is. Without tax revenue, the rest of the government stops working.