# Can you see the problem **URL:** \ **Category:** Inspecting HVAC Systems\ **Created:** [July 19, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675 "2012-07-19T21:20:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![cbottger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/cbottger/32/206_2.png) [@cbottger](https://forum.nachi.org/u/cbottger)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/1 "2012-07-19T21:20:13Z")
and its not the gas line into the furnace no drip leg. Its not the water heater soooo if ya don’t see the problem it obvious you need more HVAC training. It is not a trick question and its not in Google ![DSCF3165.jpg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/3X/2/5/2586715843502ff4987fe517e2f19e01c0470e18.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![canderson5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/canderson5/32/1814_2.png) [@canderson5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/canderson5)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 9:45pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/2 "2012-07-19T21:45:33Z")
Undersized plenum? Is the register below a return or supply? ---
**Author:** ![badair](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/badair/32/166699_2.png) [@badair](https://forum.nachi.org/u/badair)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/3 "2012-07-19T22:08:25Z")
there’s a plug in the closet and it’s not turned ground up ---
**Author:** ![cbottger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/cbottger/32/206_2.png) [@cbottger](https://forum.nachi.org/u/cbottger)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:10pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/4 "2012-07-19T22:10:50Z")
> [@canderson5](#): > > Undersized plenum? > > Is the register below a return or supply? Look at the A-coil location that will tell you what the register is supply or return (most of the time) and no the plenum is the same size as the A-coil outlet thus not the problem. I guess the 21 lookers need more A/C training they did not see the problem;-) Thanks for your time ---
**Author:** ![cbottger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/cbottger/32/206_2.png) [@cbottger](https://forum.nachi.org/u/cbottger)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:12pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/5 "2012-07-19T22:12:59Z")
> [@badair](#): > > there’s a plug in the closet and it’s not turned ground up Ya have to speak english not Texan or maybe I need some more training:D ---
**Author:** ![mlarson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mlarson/32/89225_2.png) [@mlarson](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mlarson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:20pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/6 "2012-07-19T22:20:53Z")
> [@cbottger](#): > > Ya have to speak english not Texan or maybe I need some more training:D Probably 😉 ---
**Author:** ![hrobinson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e19b73/32.png) [@hrobinson](https://forum.nachi.org/u/hrobinson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/7 "2012-07-19T22:27:11Z")
That vent is WAY to small for a return. Assuming thats the only return supply. Plus having the hot water heater in the same closet as the evaperator coil is a bad idea I would think. but not sure if thats a standards problem. I would think it would mess with the thermostat somewhat. ??? ---
**Author:** ![jjimenez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a87d85/32.png) [@jjimenez](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jjimenez)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:29pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/8 "2012-07-19T22:29:12Z")
No secondary condensation drain line? ---
**Author:** ![jhagarty](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jhagarty/32/78584_2.png) [@jhagarty](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jhagarty)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/9 "2012-07-19T22:31:54Z")
must be a Texan thingyyy Steers and … :0 ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/10 "2012-07-19T22:38:05Z")
I know I need more HVAC training (HVAC is my weakest area), but the intake looks way too small, and the coil housing is not the same size as the housing for the furnace. I know this is allowed to an extent, but it doesn’t appear to be lined up very well at the seam. Is that an illusion? ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 10:55pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/11 "2012-07-19T22:55:29Z")
Supply air plenum looks to be made of wood but the picture is not clear enough to determine this. I will admit I do not see this model in Ontario. On closer look it also looks like the vacuum control has fallen but it may just be the way the model was built. I didn’t catch the A-coil thing until just now. Orientated the wrong way so water dripping off the coil is not going into the condensate pan. ---
**Author:** ![canderson5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/canderson5/32/1814_2.png) [@canderson5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/canderson5)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/12 "2012-07-19T23:18:00Z")
> [@cbottger](#): > > Look at the A-coil location that will tell you what the register is supply or return (most of the time) and no the plenum is the same size as the A-coil outlet thus not the problem. I guess the 21 lookers need more A/C training they did not see the problem;-) Thanks for your time I asked because I’m assuming that is a supply. OSB used for the plenum/base with a condensate leak on it. ---
**Author:** ![badair](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/badair/32/166699_2.png) [@badair](https://forum.nachi.org/u/badair)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2012, 11:36pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/13 "2012-07-19T23:36:38Z")
> [@cbottger](#): > > Ya have to speak english not Texan or maybe I need some more training:D was this a “flipper” ---
**Author:** ![cbottger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/cbottger/32/206_2.png) [@cbottger](https://forum.nachi.org/u/cbottger)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2012, 12:39am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/14 "2012-07-20T00:39:56Z")
> [@badair](#): > > was this a “flipper” Nope 3 owners since 1976 ---
**Author:** ![cbottger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/cbottger/32/206_2.png) [@cbottger](https://forum.nachi.org/u/cbottger)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2012, 12:47am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/15 "2012-07-20T00:47:45Z")
Ok lets get serious a couple of you are all over it. It is a downflow furnace and the small register is a supply outlet into the garage which needs in my opinion to be sealed off but the bigger problem is the wood supply plenum not OSB but real wood. Wood product of any nature can not be used in the supply distribution system. I don’t know how may of you guys write this up but I do when ever I see it. It pisses a bunch of people off but my buyer is informed the furnace has to be removed and a metal plenum installed kinda expensive but who wants mold distributed through out the duct into the home ---
**Author:** ![canderson5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/canderson5/32/1814_2.png) [@canderson5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/canderson5)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2012, 1:17am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/16 "2012-07-20T01:17:10Z")
> [@cbottger](#): > > Ok lets get serious a couple of you are all over it. It is a downflow furnace and the small register is a supply outlet into the garage which needs in my opinion to be sealed off but the bigger problem is the wood supply plenum **not OSB** but real wood. Wood product of any nature can not be used in the supply distribution system. I don’t know how may of you guys write this up but I do when ever I see it. It pisses a bunch of people off but my buyer is informed the furnace has to be removed and a metal plenum installed kinda expensive but who wants mold distributed through out the duct into the home It must be really stained up, OSB, plywood or just 1xs are all bad, bad, bad. I call these out too, I have a photo somewhere of one made out of 1/4" underlayment and the exterior is completely saturated with condensation. I’ll see if I can track it down and post it. ---
**Author:** ![cbottger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/cbottger/32/206_2.png) [@cbottger](https://forum.nachi.org/u/cbottger)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/17 "2012-07-20T01:42:14Z")
> [@canderson5](#): > > It must be really stained up, OSB, plywood or just 1xs are all bad, bad, bad. I call these out too, I have a photo somewhere of one made out of 1/4" underlayment and the exterior is completely saturated with condensation. I’ll see if I can track it down and post it. You think it looks bad on the outside you should see what the inside looks like ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2012, 1:42am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/18 "2012-07-20T01:42:41Z")
Here is some info I checked out awhile back. [http://www.whirlpoolcomfort.com/Upload/065638101.pdf](http://www.whirlpoolcomfort.com/Upload/065638101.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![canderson5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/canderson5/32/1814_2.png) [@canderson5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/canderson5)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/19 "2012-07-20T02:39:13Z")
> [@cbottger](#): > > You think it looks bad on the outside you should see what the inside looks like Now all they need to do is install that humidifier on the return side to complete their built-in grow-op. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![joverholser](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/joverholser/32/274500_2.png) [@joverholser](https://forum.nachi.org/u/joverholser)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2012, 12:55am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675/20 "2012-07-21T00:55:42Z")
> [@cbottger](#): > > Ok lets get serious a couple of you are all over it. It is a downflow furnace and the small register is a supply outlet into the garage which needs in my opinion to be sealed off but the bigger problem is the wood supply plenum not OSB but real wood. Wood product of any nature can not be used in the supply distribution system. I don’t know how may of you guys write this up but I do when ever I see it. It pisses a bunch of people off but my buyer is informed the furnace has to be removed and a metal plenum installed kinda expensive but who wants mold distributed through out the duct into the home My first thought was the gas appliances are in a closet with no louvers on the doors…I couldn’t even tell from the pic that the supply plenum was wood. Wow :roll: [Next page](https://forum.nachi.org/t/can-you-see-the-problem/70675.md?page=2)