Canadian reporter asking about associations. Help, I need the facts.

George - I condone personal attacks and unfair treatment. Yes, it has happened on both sides, but there seems to be a few that perpetually keep stirring that pot. The facts on many claims outside of the issue of name calling are yet to proven one way or the other. Yes there are two paths of information, CAHPIs and NACHIs, it unfortunate the two have not come closer together.

My message simply indicates that it appears both sides of the issue claim they have facts supporting their POV. In my opinion both sides have bad mouthed - so does that make it right? Not in my way of thinking. But I also agree and hope that the line towards a common goal should be the target, not the ongoing banter about who is biggest, or best, or the claims about the old boy network!

I simply wish we could all learn to get along!

Another thing that should not be overlooked in all of this is the repeated abuse of OAHI members who for what ever personal choice also are members in NACHI. There has been an undercurrent of distrust by OAHI of NACHI members, and this worrisome policy was echoed in the OAHI news letter by none other then the Chair of the DPPC, who by gosh is also on the executive of CAHPI. That includes OAHI’s abuse of power by reporting members who were using CHI as per ASTTBC. At no time were these OAHI members presented with anything but a directive to clean up or you will be drummed out. This same mentality has permeated the National way of thinking. Fines have been levied, and accusations made in letter from OAHI without so much as presenting the evidence. People have been intimidated by directors and fines collected all based on accusations. Its pathetic.

Now I understand that Claude has fallen from grace within OAHI on the Technical Review Committee because of his opinions and views expressed here. The committee has been taken over by one person who in my opinion is part of the major problem within OAHI. But this is the way the system works.

One must also not forget that OAHI was and is a major player in CAHPI and certain elements have sold out OAHI and its members by stiffling information. Information that has been filtred and slanted to suit an agenda. OAHI has intwined itself in CAHPI, but the fact remains a provincial body that is part of the overall scheme of Certification has its own accountabilty problems, hiding of financial info, minutes, and denial of service all based on directives which are legally questionable because these decision do not fit within the confines of the by-laws. The system is rotten, and the best thing to correct the misguidance is for the executive of OAHI and CAHPI to resign along with a few committee members who have to much power and protect each other. A self regulating body has no business conducting its affairs in such manners, nor does a self regulating body entitle it to do as it pleases for the benefit of a few.

…Sorry why should NACHI wish to support CAHPI we have been treated like mushrooms from the get go. It is up to CAHPI to take take olive Branch they offered before and then CAHPI proceeded to destroy it in less then 24 hours .
Why should we feel they can be any different now .
Roy Cooke …

"George - I condone personal attacks and unfair treatment."

Don’t you just hate ‘typos’? Claude, I assume that you meant " I do not condone . . . "

I agree fully with your stated desires. It would be great if we all could get along as equals; equals in the National and equals in the business. Until C.A.P.H.I. learns that N.A.C.H.I inspectors are equal in every way then there can be no involvement of N.A.C.H.I. Name calling advances nobody’s cause and only serves to set us apart. However it takes a better man than I am to be called a ‘human rectum’ or worse and in return smile and say thank you.

How C.A.P.H.I. / O.A.H.I. stop their local representatives ( some of whom have been appointed as applicant interrogators) from their personal attacks on N.A.C.H.I. and members will prove to be a greater challenge. There is one representative of C.A.P.H.I. who routinely bashes N.A.C.H.I. and members, personally attacks the reputations of inspectors in the area, spreads rumors of legal troubles, financial troubles and goes as far as removing business cards and brochures from realtors offices in an attempt to damage his competition. With this sort of representative at the local level, how you will accomplish your vision is a very good question. With this sort of representative can you expect the average N.A.C.H.I. member or non-aligned inspector to want to be involved in the national?

There are as many reasons as members in all three organizations to continue down this path. Hopefully as we N.A.C.H.I. members bring order to our own house C.A.P.H.I. / O.A.H.I. will be seen to do the same to theirs. Clearly the first move toward reconciliation must come from C.A.P.H.I. / O.A.H.I. as the mandate was to involve as many Canadian Inspectors as possible and to date that has equally clearly not been done.

Here’s hoping.

Thanks George - that is what I meant!

Level heads will prevail in the end. We all have to work together to make the industry a better place for the consumer. Cutting up one group or the other does not help the public and as much as we are in business for profit, our ultimate goal is to aid the buying public to make a decision based on our report. To demean the industry in any way is counterproductive to the goal.
Larry

It seems to me that NACHI is equal to or better then other HI assoc.
The wording of the above says to me that you have a Superior attitude and that NACHI must submit. Well that will not happen. If you had invited NACHI’s input as a partner maybe the responce to your invitation would have been more positive.

Sorry Claude. Must be thick today. What “is what I meant”?

Nick do we have a brochure that outlines all the qualifications required to be certified by NACHI and to become a CMI?

The reason I’m asking is that there seems be be a lot of misinformation about NACHI’s standards.
My plan is to distribute the brochere to all the real estate offices along with a list of all the NACHI certified HI’s in this area.

Can you help me out here?

George, Maybe it was a Freudian slip.:stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slip

The best way to contact NICK or NACHI at any time is …
FastReply@nachi.org** This gets immediate attention ,. **
Nick does not get to read all post’s but I am surprised how well he does .
http://www.nachi.org/cmi.htm for more info on CMI

Roy Cooke

Freud wore a slip? Kinky. :wink:

Hey Nick, here is another half hearted attempt at good SOP, but they don’t come close to Nachi’s

http://bcipi.asttbc.org/standards-scope.html
http://bcipi.asttbc.org/standards-sfd.html

How come the BCIP so little members?

Roy I have sent two emails to the fast reply and have not got a reply. Not very fast. Fast is a reply within 24 hours.

I have to admit this is very unusual for NICK to not have answered Immediately ,48 hours is bad . Sorry Roy Cooke

James I saw many members listed through out BC. Some may be duplicate listings for territories covered. This seems to be the favoured association by BC government by all accounts? I read one consultants report (independent) and the conclusion was licencing was the best long term solution.

What do you think will happen to your business with licencing? Are they only going to accept ASTT members or BCIPI members to exclusion of others with licencing?

What role does Nachi play in this unfolding situation in BC? Who is looking out after you and your Nachi members in BC?

Cheers,

Still no reply.

Nick check out these links to OAHI, they highlight what is required to be a member in anyone of their 3 levels.

http://www.oahi.com/default.asp?tier_1=65&tier_2=80&content=18

http://www.oahi.com/default.asp?tier_1=65&tier_2=81&content=38

I know alot of people here are not happy with OAHI and I know I have my issues, but in all honesty it is not that easy to join.

The Admissions Review and BOE (Board of Examiners) seems to be a power unto themselves. From what I saw as Discipline Chair they acted like they had their own little fiefdom within OAHI. There are some pretty big egos on that Committee. I remember one P2P franchisee that is on this committee trying to tell me that P2P had the best report system. He didn’t like it when I told him to his face that Carson Dunlop Report far exceeded P2P report. :slight_smile:

Maybe some of you will recognize some of the names and the egos that go with them. :wink:

**http://www.oahi.com/default.asp?tier_1=63&tier_2=73&content=26

Admissions Review Committee / Board of Examiners**

Mandate: To assess member’s credentials, and to make recommendations to the membership on all matters of an educational nature including development of courses, seminars, programs, and related activities. I can’t even find the last member on the OAHI membership listing.

Andrew Bennett 

Terry Carson
Andrew Dixon
Glenn Gogal
Carl D. Inglis
Kirk Iredale
Andrew Radomski
Doug Silverthorn