chimney foundation

Originally Posted By: chorne
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Originally Posted By: kwilliams
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carla, a fine example of the saying


" they don’t build them like that anymore "



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Originally Posted By: wpedley
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Maybe the same people built STONEHENGE. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif



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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Those look like the granite plates in my back yard. They’re part of the San Andreas fault!



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Originally Posted By: psabados
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Hey Carla


The owner's didn't happen to be named Fred and Wilma by any chance. ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

Paul


Originally Posted By: tallen
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Carla:


I need an Engineer!


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Originally Posted By: phinsperger
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If it wasn’t so scarry, I think it looks cool icon_cool.gif



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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Well, it sure looks scary enough, especially that on edge, but … it has been there almost 150 years that way.


How many 'properly built' newer houses are going to last 150 years?

That is one of those things which appears to 'have passed the test of time', which is, after all, what all modern engineering is trying to accomplish - keep it safe and from falling down for the life of the structure (which is probably considered to be about 70 years, or about half what that has lasted).

Would I say it is 'OK'? No, but still ... it's ![icon_cool.gif](upload://oPnLkqdJc33Dyf2uA3TQwRkfhwd.gif)


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Originally Posted By: chorne
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Hi all,


Thanks for the replies. hope you enjoy

I was really wierd walking in the center.


Originally Posted By: chorne
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I meant to say “it was really wierd”…


sorry


Originally Posted By: roconnor
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I think Jerry is right that ya just cant tell if something is sound by just looking at it. Many structures last the “test of time”, until they are subjected to full design loads. Look what happened during hurricane Andrew for example … icon_eek.gif


I think the scariest thing I was called in to evaluate was a problem with a main girder in a 3 story house. I got suspicious and had some drywall removed, which revealed the main girder bearing on the very edge of a wood post. It had crushed down about 1", and was about to let go ... ![icon_eek.gif](upload://yuxgmvDDEGIQPAyP9sRnK0D0CCY.gif)

A common saying among building and structural engineers is "Just because it is standing now, doesn't mean it isn't about to fall down" ...

Just my opinion and 2-nickels ...


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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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roconnor wrote:
Many structures last the "test of time", until they are subjected to full design loads. Look what happened during hurricane Andrew for example ...


Hurricane Andrew is a poor example as none of the structures in South Florida have been around long enough to "pass the test of time", with the possible exception of just a couple of structures (approaching 100 years old).

While I fully agree with "Just because it is standing now, doesn't mean it isn't about to fall down", a 150 year old structure has been through the "100 year storm" period one and a half times.

If that "100 years event" is not going to happen during 150 years ... what can you believe in? ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)

Modern engineering where structures are not even intended to last 150 years?

Still, you have to remember that other and unrelated things have changed during that 150 year period, effecting what might affect that structure tomorrow.

Look at the leaning tower of Pisa. It stood for a very, very long time. Still, it was only a matter of time before it would no longer stand.

Which is why I use the "passed the test of time" very sparingly, and then only with disclaimers. And not with any structure down here, nothing has yet been around long enough to "pass the test of time".


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Jerry Peck
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Originally Posted By: roconnor
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What I meant is that many of the structures down in FL were suppose to be designed to withstand hurricanes, and right up to the day before hurricane Andrew most of them “looked” just fine


As a structural engineer also, I can say that even if a building survives a 100 year event (the usual design criteria), it does not mean it is sound. I have investigated very old structures that have withstood 100 year events, and sometime it turns out that event weakened the structure to the point of near collapse ... with no obvious visual indications.

The point being that a visual examination only is never sufficient to determine structural stability ... even for an engineer ... ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)

Just my opinion and 2-nickels.


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Originally Posted By: psmothers
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Anyone notice that the hot water heater and the HVAC are both vented in to the bottom? By the looks of how old it is I wonder if the chimney is lined. Check out the vent from the hot water heater in the second picture. It slopes down to the base of the chimney.



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Originally Posted By: gbeaumont
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Gerry


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Originally Posted By: Don
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When these homes were built a long time ago there was no enjineering. Seems to me like you guys get scared evertime you see something that is not in a book. It lasted this long so whats the problem?



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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Don wrote:
When these homes were built a long time ago there was no enjineering. Seems to me like you guys get scared evertime you see something that is not in a book. It lasted this long so whats the problem?


Don - are you saying that this would not be mentioned in your report if you had been the inspector on this property?


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Originally Posted By: jwortham
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And what does you mean no engineering? They have been “Engineering” them ever since we walked out of caves. They don’t just naturally grow.


Good engineering, bad engineering, professional, amateur. It's all still engineering.

And this would be "bad" engineering. Even though it has stood the test of time, I sure wouldn't want to see it in MY house.