Cladded wiring

Originally Posted By: rray
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Is it


(a) copper-cladded aluminum wiring

or

(b) aluminum-cladded copper wiring.

I always thought (b). Am I wrong? Do I even have the terminology right? I can't find anything on it right now.


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copper-clad aluminum wiring



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Originally Posted By: rray
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The dictionary says that cladding is “something that covers or overlays; specifically : metal coating bonded to a metal core,” so I think the wire is copper and the cladding is aluminum. So I’ll go with aluminum-cladded (aluminum-clad?) copper wiring. Correct?


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Hey, Jeff.


So that would mean that it's aluminum wiring covered (cladded) with copper?


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rray wrote:
Hey, Jeff.

So that would mean that it's aluminum wiring covered (cladded) with copper?


Clad, not cladded, unless partially cladded.

1 clothed. 2 provided with cladding. >verb (cladding; past and past part. cladded or clad) cover with cladding.

Correct. I don't think I've ever heard of AL clad CU.


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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Hey Russel.


If you are asking about the older cloth covered conductors they where often tin plated copper. I have never seen tinned copper conductors with plastic insulation.

There is also copper clad aluminum from the late 60s early 70s (?) this always has a plastic type insulation.

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I gotta type faster. icon_lol.gif



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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Tinned CU, I guess, would look like AL clad CU.



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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Pope wrote:
Tinned CU, I guess, would look like AL clad CU.


Yes, some people confuse the tin plated copper with straight aluminum wiring.

The tin plated copper is good stuff, the insulation around it is it's downfall.


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Originally Posted By: rray
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I’m just curious about proper verbiage.


The wire I'm interested in appears to be a copper wire covered with what appears to be aluminum. With that statement, is it called "aluminum-clad copper wire" or "copper-clad aluminum wire"?

My English proficiency tells me that since the core is a copper wire and the covering is aluminum, that it should be aluminum-clad copper wire. Note that "aluminum-clad" modifies "copper wire."

However, proper English has never stopped any profession from naming something the way that profession sees fit.


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Quote:
My English proficiency tells me that since the core is a copper wire and the covering is aluminum, that it should be aluminum-clad copper wire. Note that "aluminum-clad" modifies "copper wire."


But I think you're actually seeing "tinned" copper, as opposed to "aluminum clad" copper.


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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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rray wrote:
However, proper English has never stopped any profession from naming something the way that profession sees fit.


Straight from the NEC ampacity table to you.



Quote:
ALUMINUM OR COPPER-CLAD ALUMINUM



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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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FWIW I have never seen copper-clad aluminum.



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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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bbadger wrote:
Hey Russel.

If you are asking about the older cloth covered conductors they where often tin plated copper. I have never seen tinned copper conductors with plastic insulation.

There is also copper clad aluminum from the late 60s early 70s (?) this always has a plastic type insulation.

Please send a margarita this way if my post helped. ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


That threw me while inspecting my own home thinking I had aluminum wiring, when in fact it was copper clad aluminum, but the older tin plated copper which sorta looks like AL. Electrician that came in had a good laugh I'm sure at the inspector that couldn't tell the difference.


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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Russel


Copper-clad aluminum will be copper on the outside with an aluminum core.

Tinned copper will be tin (silver) on the outside with a copper core.

The best way to identify the wires is to snip a piece off and look at the cross section.

However that seems a little invasive for a home inspection.


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Originally Posted By: rray
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I saw a wire at Home Depot labeled “copper clad aluminum” and just thought that they had it labeled wrong (wouldn’t be the first time). Unfortunately, I didn’t look closely at the wire to see whether it was a copper core or an aluminum core.


Thanks, Bob.

"Copper-clad aluminum" it is.


Originally Posted By: rray
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So copper-clad aluminum is an aluminum core wire, right?


I always thought that the whole purpose of copper-clad aluminum was that, once they found out aluminum didn't work but still needed to save on the expensive copper, they used a small copper core and covered it with aluminum. Instead, they used a smaller aluminum core and covered it with copper. Correct?


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rray wrote:
So copper-clad aluminum is an aluminum core wire, right?


Big 10-4 on that, the NEC treats it the same as aluminum as far as installation and ampacity. It has a lower ampacity rating than pure copper wire.

rray wrote:
Instead, they used a smaller aluminum core and covered it with copper. Correct?


As I said I have not seen this wire but I am will to bet the thought was the cheapness of aluminum with the quality of copper at the terminations.


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That was hard, it was like arguing w/ my wife


Originally Posted By: rray
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You didn’t even join in the fray, Chad! Did you get here too late?