Do we note this like any other "Double Lug".

Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Question from the field:


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I had a question maybe you could help me with.

I'm not sure if you can tell from the picture, but this pool equipment

bonding wire was spliced under this one screw at the pump.

Is this allowed or what is the proper method for splicing a bonding wire?

Do we note this like any other "Double Lug".


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In my opinion, Yes


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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Joe first off peace.


Second I do agree with you if this is in fact spliced.

Do we know that it is spliced?

To me, from my view of it looks like it passes through unbroken.

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Of course I certainly could be mistaken on that.

Bob


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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Bob:


I thought so too, but the image was sent to me via my email address.

I did not give the name of the person who asked the question, but maybe he will come forward and clear this up for us.

I also thought that the wire looked like it was not an 8 AWG, I enhanced the image since the sender took a picture of a picture, so I could not get any closer without blurred results.

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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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I did not have much luck either with my photo editor.


Oh well maybe the person will / can provide more info.

If it is a splice it certainly is 'hack' and should be repaired.

Later, Bob ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)


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Originally Posted By: Ken Schaumann
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My picture didn’t show it to well but the wires ARE indeed spliced under the bonding lug of the pool pump. (As the GFCI protecting the pool lights was defective and the spa light was out, I deferred the whole mess to a qualified licensed electrician specializing in pools).


I was not sure on the correct method for splicing that #8 copper. I was pretty sure it wasn’t under that lug.


Thanks,


Ken


Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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Funny. Those are splices consistently here either at the pool pump, pool heater, cage or at a clamp inbetween. It always passes county inspection. icon_eek.gif


Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Welcome Ken:


Thanks for clearing up the question.

Blaine, as far as County approval in Florida maybe we should ask a direct question and find out is they have changed the rules in that area.


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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I have seen bonding wires spliced as well.


Theoretically, there's no actual current flowing through the bonding wire, so what is the dilemma with splicing and/or double lugging?


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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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The pool bonding is covered in 680.26


The part about splices is 680.26©


“Common Bonding Grid. The parts specified in 680.26(B) shall be connected to a common bonding grid with a solid copper conductor, insulated, covered, or bare, not smaller than 8 AWG. Connection shall be made by exothermic welding or by pressure connectors or clamps that are labeled as being suitable for the purpose and are of stainless steel, brass, copper, or copper alloy.



The typical splice will be a split bolt. On this pump I would expect to see the wire extending through the lug far enough to get a split bolt on the end and the other wire continuing on its way beyond the split bolt splice.

There are NO local regulations in Florida. The Florida unified building code adopted the NEC unaltered.


Originally Posted By: Vito Corleone
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So, are you saying that the 8 AWG doesn’t have to be continuous?


Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Nope, the 8ga used for the equipotential ground plane can be spliced


using normal listed splicing methods. The wire that has to be without joint or splice is the equipment ground from the panel to the wet niche light junction box. The exception to that is it can be terminated in a box having the switch, transformer or GFCI IF there is a terminal for the purpose.


Originally Posted By: bbadger
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jpope wrote:
I have seen bonding wires spliced as well.


I never said that the bonding wire could not be spliced, it as certainly can be spliced.

The splice must be made by approved methods, double lugging is not an approved method.

jpope wrote:
Theoretically, there's no actual current flowing through the bonding wire, so what is the dilemma with splicing and/or double lugging?


Now that is a dangerous outlook.

You are correct, normally the bonding wire does nothing and in fact during the life of the pool may never do anything.

BUT....If the bonding wire does come into 'action' it is imperative that the connections are tight and ready to work.

I may never need the seat belt in my car, that does not mean I leave it unlatched.


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Got it Bob icon_wink.gif



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