Expert Inspectors are Better Than Master Inspectors ?

So, basically, all these sub-par Expert inspectors that have been drinking his kool-aid for say 3 years, can come to the Nachi MB, purchase the auctioned off $500 “ticket” (or save $1,000 as advertised all over FB), and WHAMMO! they are now Certified Master Inspectors! Yup, that should make consumers feel all warm and fuzzy!

(And some of youse wonder why I refuse to participate in the CMI thing. DUH!)

But Jonas, you’re missing the whole beauty of the C.E. destination.
Once you’ve paid to be comes a C.E., and spent time C.E. conferences, and C.E. discussions, you’ll have no use for something like Nachi.

You can just say you’re Certified by ISG and RWS. :mrgreen:

See, lots of initials make it seem important. :wink:

No Jeff. The fee you pay doesn’t affect the requirements. If you can get a deal on the CMI Total Package being auctioned off tonight at: https://www.nachi.org/forum/f32/weeks-jan-3-2017-tuesday-night-auction-5-000-00-certified-master-inspector-total-package-117922/ and get your CMI for 50 cents, or if your employer pays your fee and you get your CMI for nothing… the requirements are not waived. You still have to qualify and you still have to go through the application process.

CORRECTION… Per Nick’s FB post(s)… you can save** $1,500.00** if you follow his “Secret Tip” that he divulges on FB. (It’s a Mike Crow thing).

Correct. The fee you pay doesn’t affect the requirements. If you can get a deal on the CMI Total Package being auctioned off tonight at: https://www.nachi.org/forum/f14/expert-inspectors-better-than-master-inspectors-117706/f14/expert-inspectors-better-than-master-inspectors-117706/f32/week...ackage-117922/ and get your CMI for 50 cents, or if your employer pays your fee and you get your CMI for nothing… the requirements are not waived. You still have to qualify and you still have to go through the application process.

I personally paid the CMI fee for an InterNACHI member for this past Christmas and he still had to qualify and go through the application process.

Pay attention Nick.
It has already been stated that many “over there” are InterNachi Members (Education).
Many are also performing sub-standard inspections (Inspections) per your own statements.
They are biding their time (3+ years) drinking RWS Koolaid.
Education + Inspections + 3 years = CMI Eligible!!!

Not just them. Many inspectors. We probably have a couple dozen applications approved and the inspector is just waiting to get his 3 year requirements fulfilled so that he can be a CMI.

One guy already applied and already has CMI brochures printed and ready to go for the day in February, 2017 when he hits his 3 year mark.

This whole designation idea was good at the beginning in concept. It is now turning into yet another Total BS scam for a few to make some bling. I smell more Corruption and scamming in the air.

No inspector that sells, trades or releases their clients private information to anyone without the clients Written permission should be eligible to obtain and higher designation in fact they should have their state license revoked if they do. << That is even in NACHI’s code of ethics, never enforced but is still in it.

To earn any of these licenses or designations the public thinks of the inspector as “a cut above the rest” at a minimum honest, truthful and operates with a shred of integrity.

It is beginning to appear to the public that our profession is ran by a few people that are on the shady side of the fence, when in reality it is Run by us, the inspectors. We are the ones that actually perform the work that the public relies on, not any association, vendor or any others, it is the Inspectors. It is time to take control before we are all looked at as scammers like some now who think they run the show.

Jim

Good post. That’s why we took many steps, years ago, to reduce criticism about the application process.

One of the steps we took is going to an online application that physically prevents the applicant from reaching the end of the application before he/she uploads hard copy evidence of being in business 3 years. This from the application:

And the paperwork has to be scanned and uploaded to the application server before the system will allow the applicant to advance further in the application.

So not only can you not get approved before you upload these documents… you literally can’t even submit the application.

Nick, very commendable and it’s the way it should be, but not exactly what I am referring to at all, not even close.

Jim

I don’t know what you mean then.

Almost all CMIs are InterNACHI members and so it is quite difficult for an applicant to fake or forge his/her 3-year requirement because each InterNACHI members’ I.D. number is their join date backwards: yymmddxx. So with one glance, we already know at least how long they’ve been in the inspection industry.

And since most InterNACHI members get their CE from InterNACHI and we can see their online transcript, we know at least how many hours of CE they’ve completed.

Then on top of that they have to submit documents just to start the application process. Anyway, the CMI application system is pretty tight.

I never mentioned or brought up the application process for CMIs. In fact I have no issues with that other than I think it should be a few more years as an inspector for the requirements as 3 years is not much, Also it should say something in regards to Honesty, but that’s just my opinion.

Here is an easy question and only requires a Yes or No answer.

Q. Does your (InterNACHIs) Code of ethics state:

  1. The InterNACHI member shall not release any information about the inspection or the client to a third party unless doing so is necessary to protect the safety of others, to comply with a law or statute, or both of the following conditions are met:

  2. the client has been made explicitly aware of what information will be released, to whom, and for what purpose, and;

  3. the client has provided explicit, prior written consent for the release of his/her information. ???

Your Answer Please:

Jim

No. Close, but no. Here is our COE: https://www.nachi.org/code_of_ethics.htm

Nick, you need glasses, that is what I simply copied and pasted #7. Yes it does say that,.

Jim

Nope. You’re wrong. I can refer you to a good optometrist though :wink:

One more time just for you bud;
7.
International Code of Ethics for Home Inspectors

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The International Association of Certified Home Inspectors (InterNACHI) promotes a high standard of professionalism, business ethics and inspection procedures. InterNACHI members subscribe to the following Code of Ethics in the course of their business.

[LIST=I]
[li]Duty to the Public [ol][/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall abide by the Code of Ethics and substantially follow the InterNACHI Standards of Practice.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall not engage in any practices that could be damaging to the public or bring discredit to the home inspection industry.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall be fair, honest and impartial, and act in good faith in dealing with the public.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall not discriminate in any business activities on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, national origin, familial status, sexual orientation, or handicap, and shall comply with all federal, state and local laws concerning discrimination.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall be truthful regarding his/her services and qualifications.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall not:[LIST=a][/li][li]have any disclosed or undisclosed conflict of interest with the client;[/li][li]accept or offer any disclosed or undisclosed commissions, rebates, profits, or other benefit from real estate agents, brokers, or any third parties having financial interest in the sale of the property; or[/li][li]offer or provide any disclosed or undisclosed financial compensation directly or indirectly to any real estate agent, real estate broker, or real estate company for referrals or for inclusion on lists of preferred and/or affiliated inspectors or inspection companies.[/li][/ol]
[li]The InterNACHI member shall not release any information about the inspection or the client to a third party unless doing so is necessary to protect the safety of others, to comply with a law or statute, or both of the following conditions are met:[LIST=a][/li][li]the client has been made explicitly aware of what information will be released, to whom, and for what purpose, and;[/li][li]the client has provided explicit, prior written consent for the release of his/her information.[/li][/LIST]
[li]The InterNACHI member shall always act in the interests of the client unless doing so violates a law, statute, or this Code of Ethics.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall use a written contract that specifies the services to be performed, limitations of services, and fees.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall comply with all government rules and licensing requirements of the jurisdiction where he or she conducts business.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall not perform or offer to perform, for an additional fee, any repairs or associated services to the structure for which the member or member’s company has prepared a home inspection report for a period of 12 months. This provision shall not include services to components and/or systems that are not included in the InterNACHI Standards of Practice.[/li][/LIST]
[li]Duty to Continue Education [ol][/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall comply with InterNACHI’s current Continuing Education requirements.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall pass InterNACHI’s Online Inspector Exam once every three years.[/li][/ol]
[li]Duty to the Profession and to InterNACHI [ol][/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall strive to improve the home inspection industry by sharing his/her lessons and/or experiences for the benefit of all. This does not preclude the member from copyrighting or marketing his/her expertise to other Inspectors or the public in any manner permitted by law.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall assist the InterNACHI leadership in disseminating and publicizing the benefits of InterNACHI membership.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall not engage in any act or practice that could be deemed damaging, seditious or destructive to InterNACHI, fellow InterNACHI members, InterNACHI employees, leadership or directors. Accusations of a member acting or deemed in violation of such rules shall trigger a review by the Ethics Committee for possible sanctions and/or expulsion from InterNACHI.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall abide by InterNACHI’s current membership requirements.[/li][li]The InterNACHI member shall abide by InterNACHI’s current message board rules[/li][/ol]
[/LIST]

Nope. Close, but no.

OK well now your simply shoveling g poop. Those are direct quotes off your page #7.

Are you refusing to answer the question truthfully?

Jim