# Florida Home Inspector Council **URL:** \ **Category:** Florida and SUNachi Inspectors\ **Created:** [March 6, 2011, 11:21am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311 "2011-03-06T11:21:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![jshishilla](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jshishilla/32/1188_2.png) [@jshishilla](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jshishilla)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 12:08am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/81 "2011-03-08T00:08:39Z")
> [@jfarsetta](#): > > Anyone has been free to start their own chapter anytime they wanted. > > Chapters who carry the name NACHI anywhere in their name are required to abide by the rules of the NATIONAL, whether they are a charter chapter, incorporated in their state, or not. Its all about the NAME, and requirements which follow it. > > As always, others in Florida are free to start your their own Chapter. However, the self-dealing is over. > > Before I am finished with this, the entiry known as NACHI Management will either be disbanded, be taken over, or be replaced with InterNACHI Management. > > If the purpose of this entity is to provide a path for inspectors to be able to perform wind mit inspections or re-inspections, then so be it. However, InterNACHI will operate it via an admininstrator. > > InterNACHI will cover its costs, and make excess available to help inspectors across Florida. The moneys collected and generated will go to InterNACHI, not into the pockets of a few. > > Like I said… the self dealing is over. > > Dont like a chapter, start another. > > Members of FLNACHI are already members of NACHI, and therefore it is a legitimate chapter. A one-time and specific waiver as to membership requirements was permitted through the charter of the NATIONAL, as a means to comply with Florida State Law. > > It was a brilliant plan by Nick, which benefitted inspectors throughout Florida. The fact that grandfathering has ended has no bearing on the viability of this chapter to survive in the long term. That is entirely up to the chapter members and chapter leadership. If it sucks, folks will leave. > > Right now, at least on paper, they are the single largest chapter in Florida. > > As to legislative agendas planned or otherwise by newly forming chapters of this organization, remember that those legislative agendas need to be representative of the policies of the organization, not of an individual. > > The plan should be to benefit the industry. > > Bottom line is that now that the smoke has cleared, there is really no reason for inspectors to join NACHI, ASHI, or NAHI. It all comes down to benefits. Those benefits come from the NATIONAL, and if there are those who think they can do it alone, absent of affilliation for their chapter, all I can say is to go ahead and try. > > The best of luck for those who want to brave the tasks associated with running a chapter. But heed this warning: chapters are independent entities. They are free to operate independently of others and must follow the general guidelines. This isnt about power or control. This will not be about consolidation. Its about freedom and choice. Joe, I have on two other occasions tried to explain this to you on this board. This will be the last that I comment on anything you bring up. I have called you and email you to settle this. You have not done anything to try to get the whole picture and true facts. Here it is in brief. Nachi Managment was given to a group of Nachi Inspectors by Nick with full permission to use the name. I believe Nick even picked the name. It was formed to get the best deal for wind mitigation in Florida for Nachi inspectors(Call me if you want to know more). That being said, Fl Home and Insurance inspectors did change its name with permission from Nick. Many were not allowed to join FLNachi(see the many posts above) so we started our own chapter. Very simple. We changed the name after our last meeting because people(including Russell from HG) complained we were no longer just or even mostly insurance inspectors. Here is my cell phone 321-626-8153, call me but do not threaten me, it is unethical. ---
**Author:** ![jfarsetta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jfarsetta/32/327_2.png) [@jfarsetta](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jfarsetta)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 12:36am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/82 "2011-03-08T00:36:29Z")
John and Russel, If you read my initial attacks at Zoe, you knew exactly where I was cming from. If you go back a couple of years you will see that there haved been certain NACHI members who have attempted to wrest control of individual chapters in Florida to their own gain. I crushed that long ago, including going back further with the Gang of 5 debacle. Thet being said, Nick explained that the FL NACHI org (chapter) was a means to an end, whereby a mechanism was set upp to legally allow inspectors to get grandfathered. Those who joined are InterNACHI members. Love for NACHI? I could give a fiddler’s f u c k what you think. Self serving dribble for YEARS, with the likes of ASHI and FABI at the helm, brought you to EXACTLY where you are today. Want too dirty deal? I can dig up posts to and from members from years back. I can drege up dirt for the past decade. I know all the players and all the dirty little secrets. The sdelf-dealing of a few started a ways back with things as innocuous as a check to a supposedly “needy” family living in their driveway. I’ve got the whole picture. I hear dribble that the law may be overturned. Yeah right. I hear more dribble regarding ICC certs. This was the old FABI mantra. Been there, done that. Go ahead… be one of the 25 inspectors doing inspections. Just dont use this association as a means to get you there. And dont get too comfortable with NACHI MAnagement as a vehicle to your personal wealth at the cost of inspectors looking for work. that is, unless you plan to cover reasonable costs only and return the money to NACHI for use in your state. Is that the plan? If 1000 inspections are performed a month, at $15 a pop, and this is perpetual… and this money is coming from inspectors looking for work… members looking for NACHI for help… what’s the true answer and intent? ---
**Author:** ![jshishilla](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jshishilla/32/1188_2.png) [@jshishilla](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jshishilla)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/83 "2011-03-08T00:44:15Z")
> [@jfarsetta](#): > > Is that the plan? > > If 1000 inspections are performed a month, at $15 a pop, and this is perpetual… and this money is coming from inspectors looking for work… members looking for NACHI for help… what’s the true answer and intent? a phone call away ---
**Author:** ![rhensel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/rhensel/32/283_2.png) [@rhensel](https://forum.nachi.org/u/rhensel)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 12:48am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/84 "2011-03-08T00:48:02Z")
LMAO…I was NEVER a member of NACHI management. Never applied and never was going to. So I have NO SELF SERVING agenda as you claim. It appears as though you are the one talking out of your \*\*\* and just as you say. I can give a F u C K less about about you and what you think. Name ANYTHING self serving that I have done. You can’t and I will \*\*\*\*ing do as I wish with my company, its vision and its goals. So get off you supposed horse and you have no idea what is going on. Know why? You love to run your mouth instead of listen… ---
**Author:** ![dquigley](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dquigley/32/939_2.png) [@dquigley](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dquigley)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 12:52am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/85 "2011-03-08T00:52:34Z")
Just cooked up a big ole pot of Oatmeal - and I’m settin up for the long haul - After hour entertainment provided by Russell and Farsetta — Who could ask for more? ---
**Author:** ![rhensel](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/rhensel/32/283_2.png) [@rhensel](https://forum.nachi.org/u/rhensel)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/86 "2011-03-08T01:06:29Z")
I have a few errands to run. Hopefully when I come back I can see where ONE POST or ONE action that douche bag can find where I have been self serving. Member of Nachi management? NOPE General Contractor looking for repairs? NOPE FL NACHI looking to stuff my pockets with money? NOPE Have ANYTHING to do with NACHI management now or in the past? NOPE Just a poor excuse of a person with perceived power wanting to push people around. Here I am…NAME SOMETHING…ANYTHING…ANY THREAD. ---
**Author:** ![jshishilla](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jshishilla/32/1188_2.png) [@jshishilla](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jshishilla)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 1:16am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/87 "2011-03-08T01:16:00Z")
> [@rhensel](#): > > I have a few errands to run. Hopefully when I come back I can see where ONE POST or ONE action that douche bag can find where I have been self serving. > > Member of Nachi management? NOPE > General Contractor looking for repairs? NOPE > FL NACHI looking to stuff my pockets with money? NOPE > Have ANYTHING to do with NACHI management now or in the past? NOPE > > Just a poor excuse of a person with perceived power wanting to push people around. Here I am…NAME SOMETHING…ANYTHING…ANY THREAD. You did have seconds one time did you not, that sir was self-serving! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dbonner](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dbonner/32/171063_2.png) [@dbonner](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dbonner)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 1:32am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/88 "2011-03-08T01:32:54Z")
> [@jfarsetta](#): > > Anyone has been free to start their own chapter anytime they wanted. > > Chapters who carry the name NACHI anywhere in their name are required to abide by the rules of the NATIONAL, whether they are a charter chapter, incorporated in their state, or not. Its all about the NAME, and requirements which follow it. > > As always, others in Florida are free to start your their own Chapter. However, the self-dealing is over. > > Before I am finished with this, the entiry known as NACHI Management will either be disbanded, be taken over, or be replaced with InterNACHI Management. > > If the purpose of this entity is to provide a path for inspectors to be able to perform wind mit inspections or re-inspections, then so be it. However, InterNACHI will operate it via an admininstrator. > > InterNACHI will cover its costs, and make excess available to help inspectors across Florida. The moneys collected and generated will go to InterNACHI, not into the pockets of a few. > > Like I said… the self dealing is over. > > Dont like a chapter, start another. > > Members of FLNACHI are already members of NACHI, and therefore it is a legitimate chapter. A one-time and specific waiver as to membership requirements was permitted through the charter of the NATIONAL, as a means to comply with Florida State Law. > > It was a brilliant plan by Nick, which benefitted inspectors throughout Florida. The fact that grandfathering has ended has no bearing on the viability of this chapter to survive in the long term. That is entirely up to the chapter members and chapter leadership. If it sucks, folks will leave. > > Right now, at least on paper, they are the single largest chapter in Florida. > > As to legislative agendas planned or otherwise by newly forming chapters of this organization, remember that those legislative agendas need to be representative of the policies of the organization, not of an individual. > > The plan should be to benefit the industry. > > Bottom line is that now that the smoke has cleared, there is really no reason for inspectors to join NACHI, ASHI, or NAHI. It all comes down to benefits. Those benefits come from the NATIONAL, and if there are those who think they can do it alone, absent of affilliation for their chapter, all I can say is to go ahead and try. > > The best of luck for those who want to brave the tasks associated with running a chapter. But heed this warning: chapters are independent entities. They are free to operate independently of others and must follow the general guidelines. This isnt about power or control. This will not be about consolidation. Its about freedom and choice. Cover the costs? I like the sound of that. I figure u owe Michelle Shinshilla like 50K off the bat. ---
**Author:** ![dquigley](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dquigley/32/939_2.png) [@dquigley](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dquigley)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/89 "2011-03-08T01:44:33Z")
> [@rhensel](#): > > I have a few errands to run. Hopefully when I come back I can see where ONE POST or ONE action that douche bag can find where I have been self serving. > > Member of Nachi management? NOPE > General Contractor looking for repairs? NOPE > FL NACHI looking to stuff my pockets with money? NOPE > Have ANYTHING to do with NACHI management now or in the past? NOPE > > Just a poor excuse of a person with perceived power wanting to push people around. Here I am…NAME SOMETHING…ANYTHING…ANY THREAD. Russell, Are those errands self serving? justa sayin ---
**Author:** ![mshishilla1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mshishilla1/32/2097_2.png) [@mshishilla1](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mshishilla1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 1:49am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/90 "2011-03-08T01:49:32Z")
> [@dbonner](#): > > Cover the costs? I like the sound of that. I figure u owe Michelle Shinshilla like 50K off the bat. Thanks Dennis 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dquigley](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dquigley/32/939_2.png) [@dquigley](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dquigley)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 2:04am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/91 "2011-03-08T02:04:17Z")
So Joe F. — why have you not taken John S up on his offer to explain or answer any questions or concerns that you may have – Why not get some answers and then lite up the message board with your newly found proof of corruption. You are assuming many things --------- and throwing it out as near slander — The Shishillas have already shown that they are not self serving on many levels by taking the initiative to resolvmany problems that Florida Inspectors presently face. They have widespread support whereby Florida nachi does not —Florida Nachi is the biggest Chapter only because of grandfathering - Their BIG meeting drew around 25 concerned individuals – Florida Insurance inspectors (Formerly) had 10x that at only their second meeting. We can always castrate John S & Dennis B. in the future — Why not wait and see what their plan is first? ---
**Author:** ![akahn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/akahn/32/189220_2.png) [@akahn](https://forum.nachi.org/u/akahn)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 4:48am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/92 "2011-03-08T04:48:23Z")
From what I remember Nachi Management was given the name and blessed by Nick. So the question that needs to be answered is why is Joe attacking Nachi Management instead of taking it up with Nick? My guess is Joe doesn’t want to bite the hand that feeds him (I was going to write something else but decided to be polite). ---
**Author:** ![jfarsetta](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jfarsetta/32/327_2.png) [@jfarsetta](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jfarsetta)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:41pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/93 "2011-03-08T18:41:58Z")
Dennis, NACHI MAnagement was a renamed former entity (corporation) owned by NACHI. Nick, Dennis, and John are principals. The purpose of the firm is to provide a means for inspectors who were not in busineess for 5 years to become part of a roster of available inspectors to do roof inspections. Inspection Depot has the contract (for now), but no inspectors. Inspectors sign up with NACHI Management. Two of the principals were to earn a flat fee per inspection they farmed out. Inspection Depot subs to NACHI Management This is not “NACHI Management” per say, but a business entity utilizing the name. This is not a chapter. This is an administrative function that can be provided and supported with a NACHI employee out of Colorado. It could be self-sustaining and if the same model were to be used, the excess money could be used to pay for lobbyists to further the cause of NACHI insppectors in Florida. Or, it could be used to help publicly MARKET NACHI inspectors throughout the state. ---
**Author:** ![dbonner](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dbonner/32/171063_2.png) [@dbonner](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dbonner)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/94 "2011-03-08T18:48:45Z")
Thanks Joe. I take ur opinions into conscideration ---
**Author:** ![jbushart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@jbushart](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jbushart)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 6:58pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/95 "2011-03-08T18:58:29Z")
> [@jfarsetta](#): > > Dennis, > > NACHI MAnagement was a renamed former entity (corporation) owned by NACHI. > > Nick, Dennis, and John are principals. > > The purpose of the firm is to provide a means for inspectors who were not in busineess for 5 years to become part of a roster of available inspectors to do roof inspections. > > Inspection Depot has the contract (for now), but no inspectors. > > Inspectors sign up with NACHI Management. Two of the principals were to earn a flat fee per inspection they farmed out. Inspection Depot subs to NACHI Management > > This is not “NACHI Management” per say, but a business entity utilizing the name. This is not a chapter. This is an administrative function that can be provided and supported with a NACHI employee out of Colorado. It could be self-sustaining and if the same model were to be used, the excess money could be used to pay for lobbyists to further the cause of NACHI insppectors in Florida. Or, it could be used to help publicly MARKET NACHI inspectors throughout the state. …but instead, if I am understanding you correctly, it is money going into the pockets of just two guys who are taking it off the top from work performed by the people who are participating with them? Is that right? Rowan gets a slice, first…these two guys get a slice of what remains from that…and the rest goes to the guy who actually does the work? Why the middle man? ---
**Author:** ![gbell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/gbell/32/60114_2.png) [@gbell](https://forum.nachi.org/u/gbell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 7:13pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/96 "2011-03-08T19:13:06Z")
> [@jbushart](#): > > …but instead, if I am understanding you correctly, it is money going into the pockets of just two guys who are taking it off the top from work performed by the people who are participating with them? Is that right? > > Rowan gets a slice, first…these two guys get a slice of what remains from that…and the rest goes to the guy who actually does the work? > > Why the middle man? As I understand it the original contract was for $150 per inspection. Rowan gives the middle man $85 per inspection. I believe that the middle man was set up so that the former WCEs could have a stake in this project. I know that many of the former WCEs are now the middle man. I know that one of them (Skytec) is paying $45 per inspection. NACHI Management was formed so that inspectors could get a bigger slice of the pie. Now if NACHI in Colorado could have done this then why didn’t they? Looks like you are trying to pick a fight with the wrong person. Maybe all of you should be talking to Nick about it. ---
**Author:** ![thession](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/thession/32/173266_2.png) [@thession](https://forum.nachi.org/u/thession)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 7:14pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/97 "2011-03-08T19:14:33Z")
Now we’re talking some sense. As I see it…it’s the same problem everyone has with FlNachi. The monies earned after expenses are going to a few instead of the whole. FlNachi could have spread the duties around to a few volunteers in the state to perform the proctoring duties. This way there would be money left over for the politicians demanding payment for Home Inspectors to have a seat at the table. I am sure Michelle, John, and Dennis are not going this route. They have seen good reputations go down fast by going this route. Zoe and Dennis are good people, West Central is still the best chapter around. Hell…they were the only chapter till people realized there’s oil in them fields. Now all we got to do is Unite into one, put the money to good use, and reap the rewards that an assoc. is suppose to. Just my 2 cents into this whole mess. ---
**Author:** ![mshishilla1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mshishilla1/32/2097_2.png) [@mshishilla1](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mshishilla1)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 7:31pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/98 "2011-03-08T19:31:53Z")
Dennis - I think Joe was talking to Dennis Q. Joe - I don’t know who is feeding you information but, much of what you are saying is untrue. Perhaps if you would take the time to call John or Dennis yourself you would have correct information. John and Dennis signed confidentiality agreements. They cannot comment about Nachi Management on this board. It is UNFAIR AND UNETHICAL that you continue to say and publish information that is FALSE without talking to the gentlemen in charge. Get your facts straight before trying to slam someone’s reputation. ---
**Author:** ![jbushart](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@jbushart](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jbushart)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 7:35pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/99 "2011-03-08T19:35:43Z")
> [@gbell](#): > > Now if NACHI in Colorado could have done this then why didn’t they? Looks like you are trying to pick a fight with the wrong person. Maybe all of you should be talking to Nick about it. Not trying to pick a fight…but understand. With so many different entities (chapters, pseudo-chapters, businesses) all claiming to represent NACHI and/or its members, it is hard to keep up. For my own edification…are any of these “donations” going to people who are middle men in dishing out job assignments, or is that to someone else? ---
**Author:** ![gbell](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/gbell/32/60114_2.png) [@gbell](https://forum.nachi.org/u/gbell)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311/100 "2011-03-08T19:45:17Z")
> [@jbushart](#): > > Not trying to pick a fight…but understand. With so many different entities (chapters, pseudo-chapters, businesses) all claiming to represent NACHI and/or its members, it is hard to keep up. > > For my own edification…are any of these “donations” going to people who are middle men in dishing out job assignments, or is that to someone else? I understand completely. I live here and have a hard time with it. What donations are you referencing? [Previous page](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forum.nachi.org/t/florida-home-inspector-council/57311.md?page=6)