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Originally Posted By: mwest
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Originally Posted By: ckratzer
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Mike


Yes, nail guards are required to protect plumbing, (and in some cases wiring), in new construction.

Cheremie


Originally Posted By: Terry Porter
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I thought nail guards were required when plumbing is 1.5 inches or less from the edge of a board and when electrical was 1.25 inches or less from the edge?


Right or wrong


Originally Posted By: escanlan
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Quote:
P2603
STRUCTURAL AND PIPING PROTECTION
[EB] P2603.1 General.
In the process of installing or repairing any part of a plumbing and drainage installation, the finished floors, walls, ceilings, tile work or any other part of the building or premises that must be changed or replaced shall be left in a safe structural condition in accordance with the requirements of the building portion of this code.
P2603.2 Drilling and notching.
Wood-framed structural members shall not be drilled, notched or altered in any manner except as provided in Sections R502.6, R602.5, R602.6, R802.7 and R802.7.1. Holes in cold-formed steel-framed loadbearing members shall only be permitted in accordance with Sections R506.2, R603.2 and R804.2. In accordance with the provisions of Sections R603.3.4 and R804.3.5 cutting and notching of flanges and lips of cold-formed steel-framed loadbearing members shall not be permitted.
P2603.2.1 Protection against physical damage.
In concealed locations, where piping, other than cast-iron or galvanized steel, is installed through holes or notches in studs, joists, rafters or similar members less than 1.5 inches (38 mm) from the nearest edge of the member, the pipe shall be protected by shield plates. Protective shield plates shall be a minimum of 0.062-inch-thick (1.6 mm) steel, shall cover the area of the pipe where the member is notched or bored and shall extend a minimum of 2 inches (51 mm) above sole plates and below top plates.


Manny (Emmanuel) Scanlan


Originally Posted By: ckratzer
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Mike,


As a trades person I’m aware of what code states and when I’m not sure I look it up.I also know that experiance is an even better teacher.So the things I keep in mind with plumbing and framing issues are these…


A 2 X 4 stud is really only 3- 1/2" to 3- 5/8" wide. 1/2" copper pipe has an outside diameter of 5/8". If the plumber drills his/her holes for that 1/2 pipe dead center of the 2 x 4 you will have a little less than 1 1/2" on either side of the pipe.Of course a wet wall is different bacause it is built out of 2 x 6 framing material and more attention should be given to waste lines than supply lines as they are larger in diameter.


My point is that in practice it is less costly to install “nail guards” over pipe locations than it is to measure every single hole for a supply line dead center.I haven’t used a rough plumber yet who would do this.And it costs nothing to play devil’s advocate compared to the cost of possibly repairing a pipe that has had a nail or screw driven through it when the structure is being rocked or trimmed.And there is always the new home occupant needs to hang something with the only nail they cuold find which happens to be 3" long icon_confused.gif


Codes inspectors in my area that I’ve delt with don’t even bother with measuring.As a rule they will always call this situation and tell me to put guards in place so rather than fail my inspection,which is time costly,I do it before they call it.


Cheremie


Originally Posted By: lewens
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Cheremie


Would you please come up to the Toronto area and give a course on what should be done rather than “I’m not going to do that until I’m told and maybe the building inspector will miss it”.


thanking you in advance


Larry



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