How long to get 1 inspection per day

Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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They also said I’m spending waaay too much time on an inspection. they said 2 1/2 hours max and without the client there it can be done in 1 1/2 hours…my shortest took 4 hours. I think I need to take a step back and rethink my methodology. icon_eek.gif



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Originally Posted By: tallen
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I am not sure about this Grandfathered fire wall. I always wright it up as a safety hazard that needs to be addressed. Am I wrong ??



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: tallen
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Moved



I have put the past behind me,


where , however, it now sits, making rude remarks.


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30 Oct 2003-- 29 Nov2005

Originally Posted By: ekartal
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I say do what you think is the right thing. Some of those inspectors sound too realtor friendly.


Erol


Originally Posted By: rray
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I think it comes down to developing your system, proper wording in reporting on what you find using your system, and then educating people about why your system is best.


See more in the Report Writing thread in the Members Only area.

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Originally Posted By: gsutterfield
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Kevin


Take your time and perform the inspection at the speed your comfortable with. Above all else be thorough. I have performed or supervised the inspections of multi-million dollar commercial facilities for 25+ years and residential for 8+ years. I recently moved to a very rural area and had a hard time getting started. Discovered that the client and agent appreciated my thoroughness and am now getting many referrals. During the time I was performing commercial inspections it was considered essential to make recommendations but, have recently changed my thinking. I very seldom make any recommendations but simply state what I find and mention the item as a safety concern/issue, maintenance related item etc. If I see what is considered a safety hazard this is highlighted and, depending on conditions, the information is disseminated to the occupant.

What caused me to stop making recommendations was the fact another inspector was sued and lost because of this. He made a recommendation for roof repairs when in fact the chimney was the problem which caused much internal damage to the home. In short, he failed to make the proper recommendations. As you know, we all stand a chance of missing something during an inspection,heaven forbid, so why should we add to our dilemma by taking a chance of missing something with an inappropriate recommendation?

AS previously stated, perform a thorough inspection at your own pace, report your findings, and make sure your client/agent understand you are available after the inspection or after they have time to read the report for further discussions or clarification.

P.S. Since we seem to have more people moving to the rural area from out of state and out of the big cities, I also offer to let them call me for info on restaurants, shopping, lumber stores etc. Although this seems time consuming, it is truly worth the extra effort and the agents seem to like it as they normally don't want to be bothered once they get paid. Go figure!!!!!


Originally Posted By: rray
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On the other hand, we had an inspector get sued for not making recommendations. He lost. The logic was that the home inspector is the best “expert” to make recommendations about the conditions the inspector described in the home inspection report. If the home inspector doesn’t know what kind of recommendation to make, then how does he know that the described item is a problem? Can a buyer be expected to know what to do when something is merely described as a problem? No. Can a Realtor be expected to know what to do when something is merely described as a problem? Possibly, but it is not expected of them under their licensing procedures. By not making recommendations, I think you are leaving your report open to interpretation by people that you really don’t want interpreting your report.


This is what I put in my report to encourage my Client to contact me for interpretations of what's in my report, and no one else:

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Home inspectors?Buying and selling real estate is a complicated process. We highly recommend that you use a Realtor to help you with your transaction. Realtors are like home inspectors. They come from various backgrounds but have had to go through a significant amount of training to enter their chosen profession. Realtors understand buying and selling real estate, including home inspection reports. We believe their knowledge and expertise is invaluable to you in your real estate transaction. However, while Realtors know a lot about home inspections and home inspection reports, they are not home inspectors. And while home inspectors know a lot about real estate, they are not Realtors. Seek help from the appropriate source when you need it. If there is any question about the information in your home inspection report, please call your home inspector (us!) first (toll-free at 888-488-TEAM), and then call your Realtor. We usually also touch base with your Realtor whenever you call us with a question.
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I think it is up to us to make appropriate recommendations, and when we don't, then that's where E&O insurance comes in.

Gary said, "He made a recommendation for roof repairs when in fact the chimney was the problem which caused much internal damage to the home. In short, he failed to make the proper recommendations." To me it sounds like he didn't do a good inspection, which caused him to make a bad recommendation. I think the visual clues for a chimney problem would be there, and if they were, he definitely would not have made an general recommendation for "roof repairs."

This is one of the problems with the home inspection industry. Rather than letting the courts give us conflicting decisions, we need national standards or licensing that tells all of us, in every state, what to do and what not to do. At least some states are going in the right direction.


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Originally Posted By: ekartal
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It’s very specific in Illinois. We must abide by the states SOP. That’s why most inspectors in Illinois belong to ASHI. Their SOP’s are practically identical.


Erol Kartal
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Originally Posted By: rray
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Here most people belong to CREIA, although ASHI is virtually identical in all respects. Many monthly dinner meetings are combination CREIA/ASHI meetings.


I've been told that CREIA has their SOPs codified into law in our Business and Professions Code, but I've never been able to find anything that specific in there. But it wouldn't surprise me.


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Originally Posted By: rpaul
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Greetings all from the Great State Of New york,


I have been reading about noting concerns, and the inspection time table. I used my own narrative type reporting. I do the full envelope of the house, covers from the Roof to the Foundation. It usually takes me approximately 3-4 hours to do my inspections.
I have been praised on my reports by the buyers and some real estate salespeople. I have also been told I am too detailed about things. I told the three real estate salespeople, when they pay for my insurrance and will pay for all my law suits because they want to me to slack on my reports, then and only then can they tell me how to do my inspections and reports. Quest what? ....... They still call me or at least their clients do.
In my reports I call a spade - "a spade!" It is all in Black and Red! I also explain to the clients and all the people involved "No house is a failure but there is concerns with all houses." GFI's call them on it! Firewalls call them on it! Double connections on Breakers call them on it!
Don't be a Non SENSE unless you have a full banking account and a few blank checks. Just sign them someone will be by to collect them.
Here is the most sound advise for anyone. Take everyone else's words of wisdom in chew on it a little then spit out the junk and keep the meat!
New inspectors, Old Inspectors all have a story but whatever is working for you ------RUN WITH IT!

Rick

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Originally Posted By: dbowers
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The agent is a high dollar producer that has been around at least 10 years - THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR GROSS STUPIDITY ON SOMEONE LIKE THAT.


I simply called the buyer and politely told him the agent had just informed me she had not scheduled enough time for the inspection due to another appointment - I informed him that a CASTLE like this would probably take about 4 hours unless he wanted me to be slipshod - then I asked him what he wanted to do?? Boy did doodoo hit the fan.

The agent called my office 2 days later and read us the riot act, including telling us she normally used a well known franchised guy that never took over 2 hours on ANY sized house and averaged about 1 hour 15 minutes on the average 2,000 sf house with basement. She told us she was gonna spread our name wide and far as how bad we were to er.

I wrote her BROKER a letter and carbon copied it to the State Real Estate Commission and a local TV reporter. Gosh I got more NICE-NICE calls and letters from her and the BROKER than you can imagine.

I believe in being professional and NICE until I can no longer be nice. I will not tolerate less from an agent.

By the way the buyer walked from the house and used ME (not her) on the next one.

Dan Bowers, CRI


Originally Posted By: dbowers
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- just explain to the jury that the reason you didn’t report on those issues is because they’re GRANDFATHERED. I’m sure they’ll understand.


It sounds like the guys you met at the seminar are what we politely call SLEAZEBAGS or realestator KISS A$$ES.

Dan Bowers, CRI


Originally Posted By: rray
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We just need to continue to educate everyone. Still, only 76% of our houses here in San Diego are inspected. That, in and of itself, indicates that our industry has a lot of work to do. We are young (well, I’m old–why do you think I love my margaritas–but collectively we are young), and the young need educating.


Educate, educate, educate.

Explain, explain, explain.

Communicate, communicate, communicate.


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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Regulate…every home needs to get appraised…every home should need to get inspected.



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Well, I can’t agree with “regulate.”


And actually, every home does not need to be appraised. It's the mortgage companies that want an appraisal. I could very easily go back to South Texas where I grew up and buy a real nice home for cash (it would be stupid of me, but I could do it). Such a transaction would not need to be appraised. In fact, if I have enough cash to pay for any house in any state, I can pay what I want to pay, as long as a mortgage company is not involved. Of course, that again would be stupid because my property tax is based on the price of the house. So there's all sorts of factors to be considered.

We do have quite a few foreigners here buying real estate that is not involved with any mortgage company. The kids here just call home to dad and tell him to wire $500,000 to their bank account. Then they sit down and write the owner a check. Those are the types of cash transactions that sellers love. The reason why the foreigners are doing it is because, especially in a seller's market, a cash purchase offer virtually is assured of being accepted over any financed offer.

There were some homes that I bought for investment flipping and skipped on the home inspection because I was comfortable with the home. Always a slab home, though. I always hire a home inspector to inspect raised foundations because they charge such a ridiculously low price to crawl inside that foundation. For what I was paying for a full home inspection, I'd happily pay the same price, or more, for just a crawl space inspection. (In order words, raise your prices; I just raised mine $20, and I don't usually do mid-month price increases.)


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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Yes…regulate was the wrong word…Financial institutions should make it a requirement before lending any money…after all, an appraiser doesn’t see what we see, and what we see can deflate the value in a hurry.



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Our government up here researched the topic of mandatory inspections, here is the result, it is a good read icon_biggrin.gif





Technical Series 03-101
Mandatory Home Inspections on Resale Homes in Ontario
Introduction
Since the mid-1970s, consumer demand for home inspection services has grown in Ontario. Home inspectors and related industry and consumer groups consider a home inspection to be a worthwhile part of the resale process for the following key reasons:

It provides the buyer with a list of repairs including time frames and other recommendations.
It discloses conditions not readily apparent or understood by a non-technical buyer, or that may have been misrepresented.
It reduces the liability of the realtor and meets the realtor?s need to disclose material facts and act in their client?s best interests.
Although inspections may not find all problems, they provide a reasonable degree of consumer protection at a reasonable cost. The home inspection process also encourages upgrading of Canada?s housing stock to meet current requirements and expectations concerning health, safety, maintenance and use.

However, the voluntary inspection process has been ineffectual in addressing the needs of many homeowners. An increasing number of resale homes are inspected, but not by qualified or certified home inspectors. To better understand the home inspection industry in Ontario and options for improvement, a 2002 research project, funded by Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation?s External Research Program, looked at the possibility of having mandatory, rather than voluntary, home inspections.

Those surveyed included Ontario government representatives, the home inspection industry (private and public), insurance companies, the real estate industry, financial lending institutions, CMHC and various consumer associations.

Mandatory Inspections
Timing

Closely linked to the question of mandatory home inspections is the timing of an inspection: should it be prior to listing, or as part of a conditional offer? Approximately 90 per cent of respondents agreed that an inspection should be conducted as early in the selling process as possible, so that findings do not cause negotiations to be changed.

Pre-listing home inspections could benefit sellers, giving them the option of remedying any major problems or adjusting their price. Inspections at this point do not face the same time constraints as those tied to conditional offers. Financial, government and consumer respondents saw pre-listing inspections as having merit for the vendor. Consistency of service would require properly trained inspectors and minimum standards. Realtors saw prelisting inspections as contributing to mandatory seller disclosure and reducing the risk of future disputes. Home inspections are not meant to be used as tools for renegotiation, but this is now often the case. Pre-listing inspections would avoid this problem.

Some thought this approach, though, would result in inspectors being less accountable to the buyer and increase liability.A pre-listing inspection could also be a disadvantage to new and uninformed buyers, who would miss the benefit of going through the inspection process.

Level of inspection
All respondents agreed that non-destructive inspections provide an appropriate level of service.Vendors do not want their homes damaged, and the cost of destructive testing could be prohibitive. A team of specialists conducting exhaustive analysis and testing may turn up more problems, but the dramatically increased cost may well make the investment a poor one.While technically exhaustive inspections should be the exception and not required for an average inspection, there may be merit in having a second opinion or using a specialist inspector.

A burden for some
Some respondents thought that mandatory inspections would make older houses harder to sell, causing hardship for elderly people, low-income homeowners and those handling estate sales. Others were concerned that some buyers would find the cost of an inspection burdensome, even if the intention was to protect them. It would not make sense to have mandatory inspections for homes purchased for demolition or major renovation, and new homes covered by a warranty program may not need further inspection for some years.

Implications for the industry
Almost all respondents agreed that if mandatory inspections were imposed in Ontario today, there would be too few qualified home inspectors to handle the increased volume.Vendors would be disadvantaged if there were not enough registered inspectors to conduct mandatory inspections, as this would result in delaying sales.

Changes in the market over time will make it difficult to maintain a sufficient level of qualified inspectors. During a hectic market, realtors and buyers often expect next-day service, which drives up demand for more inspectors. When the market is slow, fewer inspectors will survive.

Many respondents were mixed in their reactions as to whether mandatory inspections could in fact be imposed. Many thought that inspection services are not readily available throughout the province, especially in rural and remote areas. Standardized training, testing and qualifications for all home inspectors would have to be legislated. Industry self-regulation would produce better qualified and certified home inspectors, although there would still be those offering services with minimal qualifications.

Training and the scope of work are important issues for the industry.The qualifying criteria for someone to become a certified or registered home inspector determines the technical skill levels required. Narrowing the inspector?s focus would be seen as a step backwards. Broadening the focus would add to an already wide knowledge base that professional inspectors must maintain. Other professions provide technical advice to real estate buyers and can augment the work done by inspectors.These include architects, technical designers, engineers, contractors, builders and other building specialists.

Legal implications
The major legal implication of mandatory home inspections is that all real estate contracts would be conditional on a property meeting an independent third party inspection or fitness standard.This leads to the need for additional mechanisms to sell properties failing to meet the standard. A set of mandatory retroactive standards for defining acceptable conditions would be required. However, there have been successful legal challenges to such retroactive requirements, on the basis that the original installation was approved under a previous regulation or code requirement.

Changes would be needed to a number of provincial statutes and regulations related to real estate transactions. Mandatory home inspections would require an appeal process for property owners who dispute the results of an inspection. Home inspectors? liability would have to be expanded to cover all parties, not just buyers, who might reasonably rely on an inspection report. Furthermore, mandatory home inspections would have no statue of limitations, a major concern for the industry.

The confidential nature of the service dictates that home inspectors should have only one client. Issuing one report with multiple clients would create a hornet?s nest of inconsistencies, increase liability and pose a host of legal complications.

Insurance and financial industry positions
The insurance industry in Ontario expressed minimal interest in mandatory home inspections. The industry?s main interest is when a home has multiple claims. Once a problem has been identified and corrected, it reduces liability for future claims.

Likewise, the financial industry was marginally interested in mandatory home inspections. The condition and quality of a home can be of sufficient issue to deter lending on tired real estate. This could lead to post-closing costs, such as renovation and repair, and may affect a homeowner?s ability to make mortgage payments.

Political climate
If regulations were to be mandatory, most industry respondents agreed that the provincial government should be the driving force. However, unless political interests change significantly, there is no momentum for this to happen. Home inspections are a low government priority compared to such issues as water quality. In an era of deregulation, working to improve voluntary inspections also makes more sense.

Potential for improvement
Consumer representatives believed that voluntary inspections will continue to benefit purchasers, but there need to be changes.The industry must self-regulate and set standards so that everyone has access to the same level of service. The industry must demonstrate that inspections are a worthwhile part of real estate transactions.

Respondents from the real estate industry had mixed reactions regarding the quality of existing inspection services. Some reported difficulty in finding inspectors who know what they are doing, and there are those whose findings are causing unnecessary alarm among purchasers.

Inspection reports vary in their level of detail, with some providing insufficient information while others are far too detailed and complicated, resulting in confusion and even alarm for the purchaser. More standardized reporting would be helpful, and inspectors should ensure they discuss their reports with their clients.

Many respondents suggested that home inspectors and other stakeholders in Ontario hold meetings to discuss home inspections. They should discuss the issue as a whole and not focus solely on mandatory inspections or presume that is the route to be taken.

Conclusions
Responses indicate that all interest groups believe voluntary home inspections should be the norm.There is no perceived real benefit to the inspection industry, homeowners or buyers in requiring mandatory inspections, although some change is required to ensure a better level of service to homeowners.

?If the concern is competency of inspectors, it should be addressed by mandatory qualifications, not mandatory inspections. If the concern is the condition of housing, let us first agree on the acceptable standard, then we can implement a voluntary program, and if there is a demonstrated need that justifies the cost, a mandatory program.?
? Respondent

A majority of industry respondents believed that the benefits of a home inspection are becoming well recognized and that approximately 55 per cent of sales are being inspected. This is expected to rise as new standards are implemented and the industry becomes self-regulating. The home inspection profession is maturing, and most practitioners entering the field are demonstrating a high level of commitment to their academic training.

In summary, it is widely acknowledged that information revealed during an inspection is helpful to a vast majority of home buyers. The relatively modest cost of an inspection is well worth the investment compared to the risk of paying more than necessary for a home with major problems and then needing to invest in repairs. Purchasers should be encouraged, not legislated, to use inspection services to get valuable information on the condition of their home.

Project Manager: Darrel Smith

Research Consultant: Terry A. Marshall, B.Arch.


Housing Research at CMHC

Under Part IX of the National Housing Act, the Government of Canada provides funds to CMHC to conduct research into the social, economic and technical aspects of housing and related fields, and to undertake the publishing and distribution of the results of this research.

This fact sheet is one of a series intended to inform you of the nature and scope of CMHC's research.

Contact:

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Although this information product reflects housing experts' current knowledge, it is provided for general information purposes only. Any reliance or action taken based on the information, materials and techniques described are the responsibility of the user. Readers are advised to consult appropriate professional resources to determine what is safe and suitable in their particular case. CMHC assumes no responsibility for any consequence arising from use of the information, materials and techniques described.


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Hey, Jason.


Are you trying to overthrow me as King of the Long Post?

I'll have to read it later.


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Originally Posted By: jbehling
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Somebody needs to give you a run for your money. It is an excellent read though, and food for thought.


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jbehling wrote:
Inspection reports vary in their level of detail, with some providing insufficient information while others are far too detailed and complicated, resulting in confusion and even alarm for the purchaser. More standardized reporting would be helpful, and inspectors should ensure they discuss their reports with their clients.

Isn't that the truth? Perhaps mandatory classes on how to communicate appropriately with our audiences?

jbehling wrote:

mandatory home inspections would have no statue of limitations, a major concern for the industry.

Too many statues can be can be ugly. Of course, too many statutes can be ugly, too. They did use "statutes" throughout the report, so I'm sure it's just a small typo there.


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