I'm OK with funding EBT, food stamps, welfare, etc

Not Eligible

  • Undocumented immigrants (those without lawful immigration status) cannot receive SNAP.

  • They also cannot apply for SNAP on their own behalf.

:white_check_mark: Some Eligible Groups

Certain lawfully present non-citizens can receive SNAP, such as:

  • Green card holders (lawful permanent residents) after 5 years of residency (or sooner in some cases).

  • Refugees, asylees, and trafficking victims – immediately eligible.

  • Children who are U.S. citizens — even if their parents are undocumented — can receive SNAP, but benefits are only for the child, not the parents.

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The problem was that someone was handing out free SSNs to anyone. Elon spoke directly to this.

They aren’t eligible for SS or SSI or anything directly from the SSA, but the number opens the door for everything else. Yes, yes, I know, they may still not be eligible. It didn’t seem to matter, they were signing these people up for everything and they were getting it. Still are in fact.

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There’s NO WAY, anyone that came here illegally would ever get free chit from our guberment.
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“I’m buying store brands”

I miss the days when you could turn your nose up at some schmuck because they had a checkout belt full of generic white boxes and paying for it with handloads of “scrip”.

Here’s your healthy lunch, eat it kid!

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Back to the future

Barcodes started in the 60s. The generic white box stuff was mid to late 70s because I remember my mother dragging me to the grocery store.

Looked it up…

  • 1948-1952:

    Norman Joseph Woodland and Bernard Silver conceived of the barcode idea based on Morse code. They were awarded a patent for their “Classifying Apparatus and Method” in 1952.

  • 1960s:

    The first commercial application of barcodes was with the KarTrak system for railroads, starting in 1961 with tests and becoming the standard in 1967.

  • 1973:

    The Uniform Product Code (UPC) was established as the industry standard for groceries by the National Association of Food Chains. This linear barcode design was created by an IBM team, including George Laurer.

  • 1974:

    The first retail barcode scan using the UPC took place on June 26 at a Marsh supermarket in Troy, Ohio. The item scanned was a 10-pack of Wrigley’s chewing gum.

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As a note, I recall the generics in “Sparkle Market” in Alliance Ohio. Troy is a bit far from Alliance, but certainly in the same region.

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Some expensive cars waiting in line for free food. This generation has their priorities screwed up.

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Cleveland is a truly FU city! People think New York is bad but have never seen Cleveland. I think Cleveland was the birthplace of welfare fraud. Long ago you could drive down what appeared to be a blighted street. The outsides of the homes were run down and in front were junker cars. In reality the insides looked like the Ritz Carlton and the new cars were parked a short walking distance away. It was a common conception that if you did not look poor for a welfare program drive by check then you would lose your free money.

That scene with all the nice new looking cars is not unique to Cleveland. That’s happening everywhere. Isn’t it amazing that so many people are on the dole for food stamps, food banks, etc., etc., and yet they’re driving around in real nice $30K new cars and $50K new pick-up trucks!

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I used to go to The Flats in the early 90s. It was totally awesome until they started having “rap” acts. Once the stabbings, shootings and muggings started, that was that.

To the larger point, even then downtown was completely zombified. It was sorta like Omega Man or the remake, I am Legend. You definitely didn’t want to get caught outside after dark.

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Just pointing out… I am legend was actual a remake of a novella… done very very poorly. The book was called I Am Legend, by Richard something or other… he was a (smart) factory worker in Texas or something when the plague hit. He alone appeared to be immune, starts out telling about how he adapted to life, burned down the houses immediately surrounding his own, turned his home into vampire survival central, dealt with trauma of losing everyone… eventually he started to study and experiment to find what made the vampires what they were (he observed there appeared to be a couple different types)… and eventually found another survivor. Can’t give more than that away in case anyone wants to read it.. it is pretty good actually.

Oh… and Robert Neville was a large white Viking like man… not a black guy…

so really the movie just stole the name and the idea of a survivor in a plague of vampires.

Leave it to them Texans to weird out huh??

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Sounds like not a lot changed since the 60’s/70’s. The Flats were a dump and then remade and now going back down the tubes again. Everything seems to go full circle but Cleveland does it in record time!

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Yeah and both movies were remakes of the 1964 movie which was an adaptation of the book. I don’t think I’ve read that Novella, I may go ahead. I am an avid reader as is my wife, we go through so many books we use the Amazon “unlimited” thing and just blow through entire series. We replace our Kindles when the batteries are tired. We’ve both recently updated to the latest Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition. It is great. It’s my 3rd, her 4th Kindle.

Anyway, who doesn’t love an end of the world tale? I was bored one afternoon and The Walking Dead had just come out. This musta been early teens. 2011 maybe, I think we had just gotten like nearly 3 feet of snow. I wrote a short for the fun of it. After a big snow storm and Walking Dead high on the charts it sent my wheels in motion so I wrote the below. It was just a stream of consciousness barf that wanted out of me. lol. It’s not Earth shattering, just a bleak look at what after may look like and it’s not fun.


Boom + 4years

1 am. Bob wakes me for my watch. Not sure what I’m watching for. I’m stiff, it’s cold and the date should be December 21, 2016. I don’t keep track of time or days any longer. My eco drive wristwatch made it though the EMP but I traded it for a couple cans of creamed corn and 20 .22 rimfire rounds last year in February. I could have gotten more but I was really hungry.

I shoulder my shotgun and head out to the house we use as an outpost closest to the road.

Light snow drifts down and it’s cold here. There’s a half moon out, and in the silvery light I can just make out the old van that we use for an outer gate.

Nothing is moving it’s just too cold. Maybe no one will notice if I doze off…

6 am. False dawn seems to be moving in. The sun won’t be up for another hour, so it has to be a false dawn, either that or the stupid wind up clock stopped again. No, the clock is working. I hate these nights. It reminds me of all that I’m missing. We’re so alone here.

There was a guy who stumbled in from about 100 miles south a month or so ago. No word ever comes from that way. Some how he managed to stay alive in a super hot zone for almost 4 years only to get here and croak after a week.

He was so hot when he came in we forced him to strip naked in 30 degree weather. We used to get those all the time. Not so much any more. The first two years really weeded them out.

8 am. Folks are up and moving around. I think we’re going to hit a neighborhood over the next mountain today. Most of those people were evacuated into a Fema camp. It was tempting as they were offering food and water. Every damn one of them that went died of radiation sickness. I refused to go and hid when they came to my house. Everyone here did the same. Everyone who left is dead.

I hope we don’t find any more rotters. The smell is mostly gone when we find them now but in the first year it was pretty bad. I can’t forget the image of the corpse of a woman, mouth agape like she’s laughing at me while I loot her kitchen. Many of these folks were caught in the traffic jams right after the bombs fell and managed to get home only to die in a week or two. I know now why she was laughing. The joke was on me.

9am: Captain Havel rang the bell so we all shuffled over to the command post. It was a good turn out. 15 people are going today. I always go. I get an extra bit here and there and give it to my chick when she’s not feeling up to it. Many people get the trots constantly and that cuts down on how much we can haul back. I’ve been really strict about boiling water, washing and cooking the food really well and those on my team are rarely sick. I hope we can score some coffee and booze today. It’s been a few weeks.

Those poor bastards that couldn’t be bothered to be careful are dead. I told ‘em but no one wanted to listen to me. Now they listen.

Noon: Taking a break from the walk. After the first 8 miles or so we’re past our normal areas and we have to be real careful. There are no marked paths here. Fallout is a weird thing. You can be standing in a clear spot, move 25 feet left and be getting 5 rads from radioactive mud. I was adamant that we had to map out our local surroundings. We got it pretty light in this area but there are still hot pockets to avoid. In the spring we go out and remark all the safe trails. We also have a few obvious trails that tempt you into town but really take you through the hottest spots in the area. After getting our supplies raided a few times and remarks that they would keep coming back monthly for a “donation” we cleared some paths for those guys, just like we promised. They don’t come any longer.

I’ve heard word there are some towns out west that are completely clean, no radiation at all. Early on those places filled up quick and emptied out just as quick when that many people got together and passed around Naz. Everyone here got Naz but we just got the sores that went away after a few weeks. Those poor bastards that get it bad turn to jelly inside and outside. We haven’t seen that since the first year. Everyone I have ever known got full Naz and died. I think if we ever get any children that live past their first birthday they’ll be somewhat immune to it.

Patient Zero was a goat herder named Nazeer. He was a walking talking carrier, having the disease for months and no obvious symptoms. After it had been tracked back to him, he was examined at length there were scientists who claimed that one gene most middle easterners have provided full immunity from Naz. Naz was widespread a week and mutated. Full immunity turned into almost full lethality over night. Folks in former first world nations fared better than most but it was only through organization and quarantine. I think the overall rate was around 85% that die within one week. A small percentage turn into walkers. These poor bastards get most of their higher brain rotted away so they turn feral. Their sores never stop running and blotches of skin get necrotic. A brain shot ends their story pretty quick.

The Epidemic was in full swing when the bombs fell. We still don’t know who pushed the button…probably someone who saw their family turn to mush in front of them figured to just put us all out of our misery.

I pause for a moment and look out over the silent landscape and I feel the hard object in my pocket. I’ve been saving this can of tuna for this trip. I don’t know how much longer these canned things can stay good. We’re growing stuff now and we’ll probably slaughter a cow for the Christmas feast but without these things from the past I’m afraid we’re all going to starve.

4pm. We’ve hit a few houses and I didn’t get much but I found some Levis in my size. It took the end of the world for me to hit my target weight. There’s some irony in that.

I wouldn’t even recognize who I used to be. That person is from a whole different world.

I see a fire started a couple blocks over. Someone must have found some rotters. We don’t stick around those places. If you mess with dead things you end up dead now. There is life in fire, it warms and purifies. I may go over and get warmed up after it gets really going. I hope they got the houses next to it first. One kid burned down a whole neighborhood by accident in the first year. Who knows what we lost in those places.

It’ll be dark soon and I think I’ve spotted where we’re going to stay tonight. There’s a two story house that commands a view around it pretty good and it looks fairly intact. Captain Havel sees me and I point. He gives me thumbs up and they head over to the big house. We don’t expect to find anything moving. We never do any more.

This town has been picked over but not completely. It looks like we’ve scored some things. If nothing else there’s always bedding. I had found an old phonebook that indicates there’s a storage facility on the other side of town. With any luck it’s still mostly intact, that’s really why we came. We may spend a few days going through it, but for now I’m headed over to the fire to warm my bones then hole up for the night.

It’s just another day in paradise.

Yeah, only The Flats were tolerable in the early 90s. The rest of it was pure doo doo. By the late 90s, the zombies had consumed The Flats again.

Republicans held the line!

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I wish they’d follow Trump’s advice and give the money to the people. I have my medical garbage plan through ACA. I don’t use it, it’s just there in case I get hit by a truck or my heart explodes or something. I don’t want my wife to go into the poorhouse because I got sick or injured. She’s on Medicare, so it doesn’t affect her.

The problem is the cost is going to double for 2026. Yes, I can afford it. Yes, I wish they’d blow the whole damn thing up and let the market play out as it will, but here were are. I’ll be paying an extra ~$4k annually for exactly nothing.