I see that you have written a letter of some kind to Jeff Barnes or others and he has sent you a reply. The reply from Jeff is below:
**“Your letter indicated that the first bill was produced by one national association which you know is not true. Input was gathered by members of all associations which chose to participate”. **
I’m not trying to be rude to anyone, but to help clarify some issues. I think where part of the confusion lies is that when Jeff Barnes said he sent emails to over 250 inspectors and all interested groups so they could have input, etc in the Bill WAY back when - he probably did - BUT he’s forgetting that most of the invitations came from KAREI and required you to attend one of their association meetings where they discussed the proposed Bill or related issues. I attended 1 or 2 of the meetings personally. You had to PAY to attend. There were ABOUT 25-29 people in attendance at the meetings. As I looked around the rooms I can remember counting and SAYING to myself - Gosh, all but about 5-6 of the people present are **ASHI / KAREI members. **
**In talking to other inspectors in other home inspection groups around the state - most looked at KAREI / ASHI meetings as just that - KAREI / ASHI. **
For the most part the KAREI / ASHI members never attend the NAHI, NACHI, KARCI or MAREI meetings - so those inspectors don’t attend the KAREI / ASHI meetings. In fact when I looked at the records for educational seminars over the past 5 years held in Kansas City that have been JOINT meetings of NAHI / NACHI / KARCI / MAREI / Midwest Pro-ASHI … I could not find a record of Jeff Barnes (his own ASHI Chapter of record) ever attending one BUT I’ve seen records to indicate he’s attended several of the other ASHI Chapter Seminars in KC (Great Plains ASHI). Our groups would obviously feel that Jeff has provided NO INPUT to them, or just sat on the sidelines, etc. Not a big deal - he just wanted to go elsewhere.
So by the same token - Since the KARCI, NAHI, NACHI, MAREI and ASHI members (not in favor of licensing) were left out of talks with legislators (except the later on public hearings), attorneys, the state organizations, and KAR who was basically **forcing **this Bill on them - they logically felt the Bill was devised by KAR / KAREI / ASHI - with DELIBERATELY no participation or input from the other home inspector associations. So other than calling their legislators, writing to newspapers, etc they had real NO VOICE.
**There are 3 State Associations with members living and working in Kansas **(KAREI - of which Jeff Barnes was Past-President of & which is mostly run by ASHI members; there is **KARCI **- of which **Mike Greenwalt **is President; and there is MAREI of which **Mark Adams **is President),and **3 primary National Associations **with local Chapters (NAHI - Mike Pritchett / President; **NACHI **- Paul Sabados / President; and **2 ASHI **Chapters - Great Plains ASHI & Midwest Pro-ASHI).
It should be a simple matter of clarification to check with the applicable Chapter or Association Presidents to see WHICH ones were involved or had ANY input in the Bill writing.
I can say for a FACT of LIFE, that as a member of NAHI, ASHI, NACHI, KAREI (my membership number was #3 before I dropped them), KARCI and I am the Founder of the Midwest Pro-ASHI Chapter AND as its Main Education Director and Legislative Committee Chair for the time this Bill was being put together, I had only tidbits of any actions or meetings with KAR, the state, etc.
Stacey Van Houtan (Past NAHI Chapter President), Paul Sabados (NACHI Chapter President), and John Kurtz (Past Midwest Pro-ASHI Officer & Director in Kansas City), and Mark Adams (President of MAREI & past Midwest Pro-ASHI Chapter Vice President) all state they had no input **NOR **were they informed of almost anything having to do with the Bill.
Since Jeff was just about the only inspector involved in meetings with KAR, the attorneys, the state groups, etc on a consistent basis he may personally feel he was providing input from ALL, but if you ask the other groups that is not their opinion. Thats why the other groups feel this is the JEFF / KAREI / ASHI / KAR home inspection Bill.
Jeff is not a bad person, if anything hes just guilty of maybe thinking he knew what was best for everyone and trying to control the process. Unfortunately that is leaving other inspection groups with a bad taste and distrust of future actions.
I hope this helps you clarify any concerns you have.
Dan Bowers, CMI, CRI
Certified Real Estate Inspector, NAHI
Certified iNACHI Member
ASHI Member #1038
Certified Mold Inspector
FHA Compliance Inspector
EDI Certified Stucco / EIFS Inspector
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Subject: Re: Letter about HB 2260
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:52:05 -0600
I did not state that you ran an inspection school only that my members had expressed concern that your associate seemed to have the inside track on the information before the education committee had even been formed. The deadline for the college catalog was way in advance of the education committee being formed. I have heard you state that you sent 250 invitations to get involved in the bill writting process, however I can not seem to find NAHI members that received their invite. I know I never received mine.
That is the truth.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:28 AM
Subject: Letter about HB 2260
Mike I was forwarded a copy of your letter to Bob Bethell and was very disappointed. Not that you had sent the letter, but that you had blatantly misrepresented the truth. Your letter indicated that the first bill was produced by one national association which you know is not true. Input was gathered by members of all associations which chose to participate. Those who chose to sit it out chose not to be heard. You wrote that the bill could favour one association. I would encourage you to find even one sentence in the bill which favours any one group, you wont find it. You wrote that the new bill was written by the same group. Wrong again not one word came from anyone but the Board. The initial language was written by our attorney and was submitted to the Board for revision. You stated that I run an inspection school that was listed in a collage catalogue as approved by the Board and when the Board was made aware of the situation the class was pulled. First of all I have no interest in providing inspection education, have never taught at any inspector schools nor do I ever intend to, the sad thing is that you know that I am not a part of Toms school making your comment even more disappointing. As for the Board pulling the class. I addressed the problem before the Board ever knew about it. As soon as I was told about the problem, I called Toms office and the collage for immediate action. What makes this sad is that the members of the legislative committee that were on the board last year know the truth and the new members have been told by the last years members to look out for the misleading e-mails from the opposing side and to verify the facts before making an decision. This morning I received two phone calls asking about your letter and I had to explain the history and provide the true story. Mike you know the truth and you know better. I encourage to write you representative, but you need to understand they are not stupid and will verify the information presented.