Looking for study materials or sites

So you’re looking for more of a DIY manual? If it’s a license test, it should cover code rather than application. Two different animals.

Jeff

Jeff in TN DIY is the way lololol

It’s not what you see .
It could be on what you did not see .
Court cases suck even when you win you loose .
I like to avoid them… Roy

Sean, why do you want to get an electrical license. It seems that your Inspection business is doing well. Having a license doesn’t mean a whole lot if you’re not going to use it. Then comes more insurance, licensing fees (not that LLE is a factor) workers comp, more tools and supplies than any economical vehicle can handle etc.etc. Not sure if you have any electrical training, but as with any trade, it takes years to acquire enough knowledge and skill to perform at a competant level. Anyway, I would suggest the NEC handbook, its the electrical bible with illustrations for a study material. As far as website… not. I would highly recommend a jobsite and on the job training if you are really looking to do electrical work or run an electrical business.

Mark,
I have a few books including the nec
I have no intentions of doing electrical work. Only as a small marketing advantage…

As far as electrical work, I have done a significant amount in the past. Mainly residential add ons or large remodels, but always with someone else.

Some of the homes I inspect, there is no way anyone electrician or inspector can evaluate whats needed in a short time. It would take me hours to sort through the mess and chase all the circuits in these places.

Sean,

If you are wanting code related material then one good place is www.jadelearning.com as they have some PDF home study material that is very good. If you are simply looking to pass the electricians exam then I would suggest Mike Holts book " Exam Preparation"

Also on Mike Holt’s site you will find a bunch of online quizzes and so on to use with your code book to help get you ready my friend. And as always if you have any questions you need answered ( providing you talk to homosexuals as Mr. Shunk calls me…lo…better tell my wife quick…loll) then please feel free to call or e-mail and I will help you any way possible.

P.S. Never visit electriantalk’s website…it is moderated by idiots and they will lead you on the wrong path every time my friend…visit TRUSTED websites for knowledge.

Never been there but heard about it from some other electricians. Sorry I mentioned it.

No worries fella…If you help out long enough they will start coming after you as well. I have been though my time with them…Just do a great job as you always do and don’t worry about the people like Mr.Shunk…he has little mans disease.

Thanks Paul!

Sean,

The first step is to identify the requirements of the specific license you are seeking. Talk to the department that is issuing the license. They may have a list of recommended study materials. If it is an open-book exam, you should have the books on their list because it is likely that the answers to many of the questions will be in the books they recommend.

You will want to know as much about the exam as you can in advance. Some license exams are almost exclusively related to building codes. Others put a lot of emphasis on general knowledge of electricity and electrical systems. State licenses generally are more building code oriented. When I had my electrical contracting company in the 1980s in Ohio, before we had statewide licensing, I had to carry multiple county and municipal licenses. In one county alone, I had to have four separate licenses. One was for the county and three were for municipalities within the county (now, even with state licensing two of the four still exist). The exams were all very different. One exam was in two parts. One four-hour segment was exclusively code (NEC, UBC, Ohio Basic Building Code, etc) questions. The other four-hour segment was all electrical theory and system design. It was possible to pass one segment and not the other and get a lower level license.

Another exam I took had relatively little emphasis on codes. It focused more on the mechanics of electrical system design. It would say, for example, create a schematic diagram of an electrical system for a duplex with panels located in each unit. List all the parts. Points were taken off for each component that was missed or incorrect. That was harder than it sounds (at least it was for me). I missed a few things on the parts list that I would never have missed in the field. It wasn’t enough, for example, to list a ground rod and connector. The size and type of both the ground rod and connector had to be listed. I think I lost a few points because I listed the connector but didn’t specify the type.

Exams can be either open-book or closed-book. Open-book tests can be tough. There is usually not enough time to look up all the answers. I’ve seen many electricians fail exams on the first try because they thought that they would be able to look up answers but ran out of time. If there are calculations involved, the questions are usually designed to test your electrical knowledge, not your arithmetic skills. If you start spending a lot of time working out the problem, move on to the next question. Typically, each question has exactly the same point value so it is better to move on so you can answer other questions. Doing practice exams in class, I’ve had many electricians get 100% of their answers right but only make it half way through the test because they would get wrapped up in questions and lose track of time. Obviously, you want to have the right answers but you also have to finish the test or at least come close to finishing it in order to pass.

Most state, county and municipal licenses also require a minimum amount of documented practical experience working under the direction of a qualified electrician. Some jurisdictions require that you go through specific levels (apprentice first, then journeyman, then master) while others have no such requirement. Some have specific minimum time requirements at each level. The educational component may also have to be in sync with the practical experience. In such cases, it is possible to have the total number of hours experience or education but not enough at a particular level or they may not be in sync.

Here’s a typical example for a journeyman residential electrician (2-yr program). The practical experience requirement is 4,000 hours. The educational requirement is 500 classroom hours. The apprentice has to complete both 250 classroom hours and 2,000 practical experience hours the first year in order on to move to the second year. If the apprentice misses too may classes, he may have his practical experience hours for year-one but they will not carry over to the year-two requirements. Only after the classroom and experience hours for year-one have been completed, do the hours for year-two start to accrue.

The experience requirements vary from place to place but journeyman residential electrician usually has to have a minimum of two years or 4,000 hours practical experience. Commercial journeyman (inside wireman, etc) is typically four years or 8,000 hours. Master (or General, Contractor, etc, depending on where you are) is usually a minimum of six years or 12,000 hours but eight years or 16,000 hours is also common.

Educational requirements have been steadily increasing over the past twenty years or so. It is becoming very common for electricians to have a two-year associates degree by the time they top out their apprenticeships. The good news is that it is much more open and accessible now than it was generation ago because the educational components of many apprenticeships are now being administered by community colleges.

Some jurisdictions have license tiers such as journeyman, residential only contractor, and general contractor where each level successive level supersedes those below it. Other jurisdictions have different categories or classifications of licenses. They may have various designations such as “Electrician Class A”, “Electrician Class H”, “Electrician Class L” and so on, where each class has certain privileges and duties but one class does not necessarily supersede another. An example of this would be where one class electrician is permitted to do installation, maintenance and repair in health care facilities but cannot do residential work. A different class may be able to do residential, retail and office buildings but not be permitted to do work in classified (aka hazardous) locations.

Alternatives

You mentioned in your question that you are pursuing licensing but if you do not need a license (as your follow-up posts suggest), you may want to consider certification as an alternative. Your state may have state recognized certifications that do not have the same privileges as a license but are still good credentials to have. Again, using Ohio as an example, they have hundreds of approved certifications that many are unaware of. A person living or working in Ohio can contact the Ohio Bureau of Apprenticeship and Training and find a program that is recognized by the state. Many of them are for various types of electricians.

When Ohio went to state licensing of the mechanical construction trades, they chose not to have a tiered system. In other words, there is no such thing as a journeyman at the state level in Ohio. Journeyman licenses still exist in counties and municipalities. An employer, however, may require an electrician to be qualified as a journeyman. A state recognized journeyman certification is not a license but it will satisfy most employers.

Journeyman certifications are also usually more specialized. To the outside world, an electrician is an electrician. In the trades, on the other hand, the designations tend to be more specific. Residential Electricians, Commercial Inside Wiremen, Maintenance Electricians, Instrumentation and Control Electricians and Linemen are all electricians but they are specialists too. Some work requires a license and some does not. I don’t have precise current numbers but only around 10%-15% of electricians are licensed. Certified electricians greatly outnumber licensed electricians.

EXCELLENT info Mr. Wells…Me Likes It !

Thank-you, George, for letting the board know what some other vocations require such that one may truly be called a MASTER of their profession and be proud of it…rather than Master being set up for marketing purposes only-the “marketing gimmick” foisted on “the public without a clue”!!

I can’t believe that you would have participated in the weak CMI requirements!!

why does ever thing have to turn into a **** fight lately ?

Wayne it’s only because some people are lacking respect for others ! :D:D

You EARN respect by setting up a system with rigorous and defendable standards, especially as we are dealing with people who are spending a lot of $$$$$. We have waiver/limits of liability clauses on most contracts, weak standards, virtually no strong regulations, realtors’ preferred lists/conflicts of interest, admitted marketing “gimmick” designations…what other professional business sounds like this? doctors, engineers, lawyers, accountants, electricians, mechanics…

Brian writes:

Our industry standards are already defendable and no court in the U.S. or Canada has ever struck so much as an apostrophe from either InterNACHI’s residential or commercial Standards of Practice.

The medical profession you mention, uses waivers of liability all the time.

Both the MICB and InterNACHI already prohibit paying agents for work. Sorry you didn’t get the memo.

Both the MICB and InterNACHI already prohibit offering repair services to correct defects found on a home inspection. Sorry you didn’t get the memo.

Every profession you mentioned has professional designations. Don’t make me look them all up on google and post them for you.

The internship for all the professions you mention (except for surgeons) is equal to or less than CMI’s experience requirement of 3 years.

Just checked the experience requirements in the states for becoming a CPA (Certified Public Accountant). None of the states I checked requires as much experience as CMI (Certified Master Inspector) does… which is 3 years.

Brain you continuous have negative things to say on here never postive so why keep coming back ? No problem with criticism but Gezzz give it a rest;-)

One difference, to become a CPA you must pass an examination. CMI “designation” does not require such.

CPA certificate is issued upon successful completion of the CPA examination and “Professional Ethics: the AICPA’s Comprehensive Course.”

Because of CMIs educational requirements which likely include exams and because many CMIs are in licensed states or provinces that also have either initial educational requirements that include exams, continuing educational requirements that include exams, a licensing exam, or a combination of the three, and because many CMIs are members of professional associations that require exams and also have continuing education requirements that include exams…the average CMI has taken quite a few exams in his/her career.