That is your Opinion only MR Larson. If it was anyone else submitting it there be no word from you
Do you have a crystal ball or something?
Yes it is my opinion that it is of no benefit for home inspectors.
It belongs in the NFE with other controversial topics that are not inspection related.
You only read what you want to to change the meaning of the thread.
You are full of yourself and everyone knows it.
Sprinklers are part of everyone’s lives and some inspections of the systems may be required by inspectiors in some areas. Check here;
http://www.windsorfire.net/images/pdf/Residential_Fire_Sprinkler_Inspection_Guide.pdf
Your are foaming at the mouth with your babbling on this subject.
Good grief Marcel I posted their summary.
Wake up.
I am wide awake, how about you?
- Fire sprinklers save lives and reduce injuries of both citizens and firefighters
- Fire sprinklers reduce economic loss
- Fire sprinklers reduce environmental impact of fires
Provide education regarding the facts and myths about fire sprinklers by offering consistent, factual, and relevant data that supports the stated facts and dispels the perceived myths Create and maintain relationships with stakeholders associated with fire sprinklers
Promote opportunities for the installation of fire sprinklers
I am posting about the spam content marcel. What are you posting about.
I read “stakeholders” as those interested in profiting from them or mandating others must have them.
What’s your read on that Marcel.
The SPAM issue side I will not back down from my stance of this is another attempt to reduce peoples freedom.
I guess when it comes to Fire Sprinkler Protection that saves lives in the housing industry, you are blind to reading the benifets and only read the parts that you can b itch about and promote your constant last word on any comments promoting the safety feature of the system.
Not at all.
I support anyone who willing wants to have them installed at their expense. They are great devices.
I also support your right to decide not to have them. Your home. Your money.
You simply refuse to look at as a freedom issue. Now who is blind?
You are, you fail to recognize the value of education in post such as this.
Have a good night.
Spam is Spam
Automatic fire sprinklers - myths and facts
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Automatic sprinkler systems have enjoyed an enviable record of protecting life and property for over 100 years.
Yet there are still common misunderstandings about the operation and effectiveness of automatic fire sprinkler systems:
Myth: Water damage from a sprinkler system will be more extensive than fire damage.
Fact: Water damage from a home sprinkler system will be much less severe than the damage caused by water from
fire-fighting hose lines or smoke and fire damage if the fire goes unabated.
Quick response sprinklers release 8-24 gallons of water per minute compared to 50-125 gallons per minute released by a firehose.
Myth: When a fire occurs, every sprinkler head goes off.
Fact: Sprinkler heads are individually activated by fire.
Residential fires are usually controlled with one sprinkler head.
90% of all fires are controlled with six or fewer heads and a study conducted in Australia and New Zealand covering 82 years of automatic sprinkler
use found that 82% of the fires which occurred were controlled by two or fewer sprinklers.
Myth: A smoke detector provides enough protection.
Fact: Smoke detectors save lives by providing a warning system but can do nothing to extinguish a growing fire or
protect those physically unable to escape on their own, such as the elderly or small children.
Too often, battery operated smoke detectors fail to function because the batteries are dead or have been removed.
As the percent of homes in America that were “protected” with smoke detectors increased from zero to more than 70%,
the number of fire deaths in homes did not significantly decrease.
Myth: Sprinklers are designed to protect property, but are not effective for life safety.
Fact: Sprinklers provide a high level of life safety.
Statistics demonstrate that there has never been a multiple loss of life in a fully sprinklered building.
Property losses are 85% less in residences with fire sprinklers compared to those without sprinklers.
The combination of automatic sprinklers and early warning systems in all buildings and residences could reduce overall injuries,
loss of life and property damage by at least 50%.
roy roy roy
How many threads are you going to start advocating for fire sprinklers in single family homes?
:roll::roll::roll::roll:
Myth: Deaths from fires are increasing.
Fact: Deaths from fires have been decreasing for over 100 years
Freakonomics Radio: Death by Fire? Probably Not
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Statistics:**
- Each day 7 people die in United States home fires
- On average each year in the United States, 2,500 to 3,000 people die and more than 13,000 people are injured in home fires.
- Fire kills more people each year in the United States than all natural disasters combined.21
- In 2010, 92% of fire deaths occurred in homes.22
- Each year approximately 100 firefighters die in the line of duty and tens of thousands are injured. Many of the firefighter fatalities and injuries are related to fighting residential structure fires.18
http://www.ci.medford.or.us/Page.asp?NavID=663
City of Medford Oregon / Fire-Rescue / Fire and Life Safety / Fire & Life Safety Information / Residential Fire Safety / Home Fire Sprinklers
Home Fire Sprinkler Information
**Home Fire Sprinklers **
Side-by-Side Bedroom Burn Demonstration
Home fire sprinkler systems are effective in saving lives, reducing injuries, and minimizing property damage caused by a fire in the home. This page is designed to give you information about residential structure fires and the value of residential fire sprinklers. Click on the pictures to view videos for more information. See
A Home Fire Sprinkler System:
- Save lives. It is designed to ensure a tenable atmosphere for escape.9
- Combined with the recommended number of smoke alarms increases the chance of surviving a fire by over 97%.10
- Is like having a firefighter 24/7 with an immediate response time.10
- Controls fires that occur in homes 90% of the time with just one sprinkler head activating.6
- Controls fires with approximately 1/10 of the water usage compared to firefighting efforts.6
- Reduces the average property loss by 74% per fire.8,9
- Usually gives you a 5-15% insurance savings.7
**
Statistics:**
- Each day 7 people die in United States home fires
- On average each year in the United States, 2,500 to 3,000 people die and more than 13,000 people are injured in home fires.
- Fire kills more people each year in the United States than all natural disasters combined.21
- In 2010, 92% of fire deaths occurred in homes.22
- Each year approximately 100 firefighters die in the line of duty and tens of thousands are injured. Many of the firefighter fatalities and injuries are related to fighting residential structure fires.18
Consider the following:
- Children under the age of 5 are 1 1/2 times more likely to die in a home fire as the general public. 2
- Adults 75 years or older are nearly 3 times more likely to die in a home fire as the general public. 2
- Most victims of fires die from smoke or toxic gases and not from burns. 1
- More than one of every three (36%) fatal fire victims never wakes up before being injured. 2
- More than two of every five (43%) people injured (but not killed) in home fires were trying to fight the fire or rescue someone when they were injured. 2
- Smoking is the leading cause of fire-related deaths. Cooking is the primary cause of residential fires and the leading cause of civilian fire injuries. 3
- Fire is the most costly insurance claim locally. 17
**
Answers to Common Questions:**
Do residential fire sprinkler systems really save lives?
Yes. The evidence on this point is overwhelming. For instance, Napa California and Cobb County Georgia mandated residential fire sprinkler systems. There has not been a single residential fire fatality in a residence with a sprinkler system since the inception of their fire sprinkler programs. There has not been a single fire fatality in Prince George’s County, Maryland (ordinance enacted 1986) in homes protected with sprinkler systems.12 There has not been a single fire fatality in Scottsdale, Arizona (ordinance enacted in 1992) in homes protected with sprinkler systems.13
**Case Studies: **
Click on this picture to view video
**Scottsdale, AZ (15-year study)**12
- Over 50% of houses fire sprinklered
- No fatalities in sprinklered homes; 13 fatalities in unprotected homes
- Over $20 million in property loss prevented
- Average fire loss was:
$2,166 in fire sprinklered residences
$45,019 in non-fire sprinklered residences
**Prince George’s County, MD (15-year study)**13
Homes Protected by Fire Sprinklers
- 245 activations with 446 people present at incidednt
- Lives Lost: 0
- Injuries Reported: 6 (all minor in nature)
- Average loss per incident: $4,883
- Total fire loss: $1,352,820
- Potential fire loss: $42,578,420
Homes Not Protected by Fire Sprinklers
- Lives Lost: 101
- Injuries Reported: 328
- Average Fire Loss per Incident: $ 9,983
- Average Loss per Fatal Fire Incident: $ 49,503
Aren’t residential fire sprinkler systems expensive?
The national average for new construction is $1.35 per square foot of living area. The Medford average for new construction is $1.68 per square foot of living area. Here are some other facts:
- The cost works out to be about 1 to 1 ½% of total building cost5
- The cost is about the same as upgrading carpet, except fire sprinklers last for the life of the home14,15
- The cost amortized over 30 years works out to approximately $5-10 per month - about the price of a couple of mochas or a large popcorn at the movie theaters per month
- The cost decreases when sprinklers are mandated
- Installing a multipurpose plumbing/fire sprinklers system decreases the cost7
Aren’t smoke alarms enough?
No. While functioning smoke alarms do save lives, they may not be enough to prevent tragedy. Consider the following statistics:
- 40% of fire deaths were in homes with working smoke alarms.4
- Smoke alarms are missing in 2/3 of deadly residential fires.3
- In a study completed in 2006, only 58 percent of a test group of children ages 6-12 awakened when a standard smoke alarm sounded; only 38 percent of the test group successfully evacuated.5
If a fire occurs while you are sleeping and you have no warning, the smoke and toxic gasses put you into a deeper sleep until you die. If you are awaken by a working smoke alarm during a fast growing fire, you might be fortunate to have a matter of seconds between when the detector alarms and the atmosphere becomes unsurvivable. During the escape, the smoke is often so heavy that you cannot see your hand in front of you. You must crawl in darkness to safety. Residential sprinklers are designed to control the fire before the atmosphere becomes unsurvivable. A residential fire sprinkler system, combined with smoke alarms, significantly increases the occupant’s chance of surviving a home fire. Whereas smoke alarms are essential to provide an occupant an early warning signal to evacuate the home, they do not control the fire. Residential fire sprinklers control the fire in the earliest stage, which provides the occupant a much greater chance of survival.
Aren’t there inherent built-in features that make newer houses safer?
Whether or not a house is new ignores the fact that the fuel load inside the house drives the fire. Studies have shown that most fire victims (75 percent to 80 percent) die from carbon monoxide poisoning, and that most of these people die remote from the room of fire origin.20 Modern furniture presents a huge fuel load, loaded with materials such as polyurethane foam which burns like gasoline. Room flashover (unsurvivable conditions) times of 3-5 minutes after ignition are not unusual.16 Victims in the room of origin are affected about half way to flashover because this is when the temperature, smoke and carbon monoxide make the room untenable to life.19 If there is still someone anywhere in a home when flashover occurs, it is highly unlikely they will survive.
While some features may make newer structures safer, other features do not. Smoke alarms can be disabled and, when exposed to fire, modern composite lightweight construction can suffer structural failure faster than conventional lumber.
An occupant’s survival is directly related to the evacuation capability of the occupant while conditions are still tenable in the structure. Young children and elderly people are 2-4 times more at risk of dying in homes fires as they have reduced evacuation capabilities. Fire sprinklers control the fire while it is still small, thereby giving everyone, regardless of evacuation capability, a chance to survive. By controlling the fire early, fire sprinklers provide the added benefit of reducing firefighter risks and property loss.
Aren’t fire sprinkler heads ugly?
There are now a variety of residential sprinkler heads including concealed heads, which are hidden until they drop down upon activation. Also, all residential sprinklers can be factory painted to match ceiling and wall colors.
What about water damage?
The scenes in Hollywood showing all the sprinkler heads activating at the same time throughout, flooding an entire building, are misleading. It takes heat to activate a sprinkler head (155-200 degrees F). 93% of all fires that occur in homes are quickly controlled by a single sprinkler head.11 Without fire sprinklers, the fire continues to grow exponentially. The fire department arrives 5-10 minutes later and puts hundreds to thousands of gallons on the out-of-control fire. A fire which escapes early detection and suppression takes far more water to extinguish, and the uncontrolled fire destroys much of the contents in the house. Tests conducted by the Los Angeles Fire Department and the U.S. Fire Administration showed that damage caused by water in a sprinklered fire is substantially less than damage caused by fire department hose streams in an identical unsprinklered fire. Other studies have shown residential fire sprinkler systems use 8-11 times less water than water applied through suppression efforts by responding firefighters. Loss records of Factory Mutual Research show that the probability of a sprinkler discharging accidentally due to a manufacturing defect is only 1 in 16 million sprinklers per year in service.
References
- http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/statistics/national/residential.shtm
- http://www.iafc.org/displayindustryarticle.cfm?articlenbr=33502
- http://www.nfpa.org/itemDetail.asp?categoryID=953&itemID=23071&URL=Research/Fire%20statistics/The%20U.S.%20fire%20problem
- http://www.usfa.fema.gov/safety/sprinklers/
- Automatic Sprinkler System Handbook, NFPA 13D, 2002 Edition, P. 771
- http://www.ci.medford.or.us/Files/Prince-Georges-County-Report.pdf
- http://www.ci.medford.or.us/Files/HFSC_15_year.ppt
- http://www.usfa.fema.gov/safety/sprinklers/facts.shtm
- NFPA 921, 2008 Edition, Section 5.10.4.6, Page 39
- http://www.allstate.com/landingpages/common_and_costly_claims.aspx
- http://www.usfa.dhs.gov/fireservice/fatalities//statistics/history.shtm
- NFPA 921, 2008 Edition, Section 5.10.4.6, Page 194
- http://www.nfpa.org/itemDetail.asp?categoryID=953&itemID=23071&URL=Research/Fire%20statistics/The%20U.S.%20fire%20problem
Of course they save lives Roy.
Is that a reason to make everyone install them(by government force a.k.a. mandate) to the tune of 2-5 $$$$$
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Unless you can answer that question honestly you are nothing but a blowhard.**
Michael I do appreciate you helping to keep this very important subject up front where all get to see this information .
Thanks again Roy
You forgot to answer the question roy. I’m not going away.
**Yes Roy freedom to choose how to spend one’s $$$ without government control is an important issue.
Thanks for keeping the real issue alive.**
I guess this is the question you want answered . .
("Is that a reason to make everyone install them(by government force a.k.a. mandate) to the tune of 2-5 $$$$$ ")
Now I find that interesting , Can you please show me where you got this information from or is it just another one of your frequent errors .
I wonder are you still upset with Government seat belt requirement on all new cars .
Please answer Michael
