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Originally Posted By: dvalley
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Joe,


Very well stated. ![](upload://dWMJihcl2Xt9tW15cZLivKWRmDK.gif)

Thank you for researching this for everyone.

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David Valley
MAB Member

Massachusetts Certified Home Inspections
http://www.masscertified.com

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go."

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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I second David’s ‘You da man, Joe.’

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Jerry Peck


South Florida

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Originally Posted By: rwills
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to hire professional assistance with IAQ problems.


DISCLAIMER
This list is provided by the California Department of Health Services (CDHS), Indoor Air Quality Section as a service to the public and to aid those who want to hire professional assistance in addressing IAQ problems. The information presented in the list is "self-reported" by the listed firms, and its accuracy is not verified by the CDHS. Firms included on this list are in no way specifically endorsed or certified by the CDHS.


"The California Department of Health Services does not recommend testing as a first step to determine if you have a mold problem".

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Bob Wills - MAB Chairman
BW Inspection Services
Warminster, Pa.
http://www.bwinspections.com

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Originally Posted By: dplummer
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Hey Guys! Why would you object to spending money on a piece of equipment that helps you make informed decisions for your customers? Lord knows we all have a bag a gadgets to test just about everything. While threshold limits for acceptable or shall I shall non acceptable mold limits have not been set, does this mean we shouldn’t test? The guidelines I use are this: I take at least 2 air samples, 1 outside & 1 inside the suspect area. Send these to the lab, & compare results. We know that mold spores are part of the normal plant life & assume that the outside air is safe for us to breathe. If the levels that the lab sends back shows the outside tests are higher then inside we’re ok. If the outside tests are lower then inside we have a potential for creating a breeding ground for mold & steps taken. I know there is a lot more to consider, so don’t jump all over my simplified statements. Nice chatting with you all. DOUG

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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dplummer wrote:
Hey Guys! Why would you object to spending money on a piece of equipment that helps you make informed decisions for your customers?


Because they are not "informed" decisions. Those decisions are based on the hokey pokey of some 'the sky is falling' chicken littles.

The sky may indeed be falling (hasn't yet, but I will concede that someday it may), and when there is actual evidence to support that theory, I will acknowledge it. Doesn't not mean I will 'jump on board', I won't, but I would acknowledge it.

I thought the sky was falling once, turned out to just be an inversion and the airport was just fogged in.

Maybe the hokey pokey IS what it's all about. But I don't dance either.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida
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Originally Posted By: dplummer
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Jerry ! In a earlier post of mine I asked you if your comments were based on facts from info you gathered from your lawyer & insurance co or just gut feelings? You never responded to the question other then to spew your negative comments about mold inspectors. You seem to be more interested in always taking a argumentive position. Your last post is absolutely untrue & I take exception to your comments. DOUG

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Originally Posted By: rwills
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Bob Wills - MAB Chairman


BW Inspection Services


Warminster, Pa.


http://www.bwinspections.com

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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dplummer wrote:
I take exception to your comments. DOUG


Your exception is noted.

Disagreed with, but noted.

Please list the years of training you have had for mold testing and the universities and colleges you attended for that training. At some point, with all the right education, training, and experience, you will get my attention as a professional to be listened too. Convince us of your qualifications to do mold testing.

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Jerry Peck
South Florida
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Originally Posted By: al
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Jerry what university or college teaches Home Inspection,after all you think mold inspectors need to go there,By the way you have yet to answer any of my questions directed at you

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Give it up Al…


We're beating a dead horse. Believe as you wish. Time will tell, once the standards for testing, analysis, and inspector qualifications...

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: rwills
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".


Quote: "We're beating a dead horse. Believe as you wish. Time will tell, once the standards for testing, analysis, and inspector qualifications..."

Exactly!!! Willing to bet that won't be as intricate as some would like to believe or hope for, then watch how many flock to the ship.....

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Bob Wills - MAB Chairman
BW Inspection Services
Warminster, Pa.
http://www.bwinspections.com

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Originally Posted By: dvalley
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I can’t believe that this topic is still active.


I might as well give my opinion on this.

I don?t understand why anyone would want to test for Mold anyways. If a home has mold or a substance that ?appears to be mold? and the water problem that led to the mold is obvious, then it is totally pointless to test for mold, if cleaning or removing is imminent, no matter what the results come back as.

Let?s say you do decide to test for mold and the results come back as ?positive?. The mold must be removed appropriately. Right? Ok, now, if you test and the results come back as ?negative?, the ?mold looking? substance still has to be removed, no matter what. Right? Unless of course, your client wants this black looking substance to remain in place forever, which is doubtful.

So what positive factor is ?testing for mold? doing for your client? Removal of this ?mold looking? substance is imminent, no matter what the results come back as. Am I wrong?

Mold testing will not tell you anything that you don't already know you have to do, which is to clean up the mold and fix the water problem that led to the mold accumulation. Samples can take days or even weeks to be analyzed. Any time that is lost in between that time could better be spent cleaning up the mold and fixing the water problem.

Mold testing is not even necessary to quantify "too much? mold. Too much mold in a home is obvious. If you see mold or you smell mold, you have mold (Duh). And if you see it and smell it, you probably have too much of it anyways. Annotate your visual findings in your report and your job is done.

If you feel you must test for mold?Good Luck. Do what you have to. Charge your clients for a totally useless service that will gain no positive results from your testing. There are plenty of other services out there that will offer positive results for your client.
Mold testing is not one of them. I?ll stick with my WDI, Septic, Radon and Water quality testing. Nothing more.

Ok, lash back at me whenever you?re ready.![](upload://nS9w0olJNqeKKRkQomEoKqQatjF.gif)

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David Valley
MAB Member

Massachusetts Certified Home Inspections
http://www.masscertified.com

"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go."

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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Dave,


Nice...........

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Joe Farsetta

Illigitimi Non Carborundum
"Dont let the bastards grind you down..."

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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This is “too much mold”.


I did not test it, but you could smell it and taste it in the air all over the house. When I went into the attic, I noticed that there was no top plate at this area (strange in and of itself) and that the mold smell was strongest around this well, and, when I opened the hatch, it was overpowering. Even now, typing this, I can still taste it.

![](upload://nbHxr1ivCsE5wCAOnwxUYF1GqkE.jpeg)

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Jerry Peck
South Florida

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Originally Posted By: al
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HMMMMMMMMMMM Jerry not all mold has a strong odor or grows where you can access it.So do you just ignore it.Like you have done my questions

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Originally Posted By: al
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Also Jerry would’nt you like to know what you are tasting

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Originally Posted By: Gary Van Florcke
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Ok here goes,over the last few days I have talked to Nick Gromicko,Gerry Beaumont,Paul Sabados and Gary Johnson and no BS quite a diverse and knowledgeable group of guys.Not all for mold inspections,some were some weren’t.We discussed putting on a Mold Inspection Seminar at your Orlando Convention,and Nick talked me into doing it for FREE to all NACHI members,What a salesman.The course will be taught by Dr.Richard McMonagle who has taught for us now going on 3 years.I also believe you will get 8 hours of continuing ed for this course,need to check with Gerry to make sure,but whether you are for it or against it why not take advantage of it. You might learn something new you might not. But hey Nick talked us into a great price so what the Heck.I would be interested in your responses either way good or not so good,and will be even more interested after you have attended this Free Seminar

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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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al wrote:
Also Jerry would'nt you like to know what you are tasting


Nope, don't really care. Just get rid of it (remove drywall).

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Jerry Peck
South Florida
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Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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Gary V:


I am all for a Mold Training Course offering at the Convention.

I would prefer to see the training cover recognition and reporting as well as the actual testing protocols.

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Joseph Hagarty

HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com

Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865

HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.

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Originally Posted By: Gary Van Florcke
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Joe we have plenty of time to make the changes we need,we are open to all improvements and suggestions.There are somethings the good Doctor will not change but there is always room for improvement.Thanks Gary V