Originally Posted By: mbartels
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It’s not over till you’re underground
Originally Posted By: cradan
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advice, count on it.
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Chris
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Chicago Illinois Home Inspections
Originally Posted By: gwells
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I have only had a few callers ask me which, if any, home inspection organizations I belong to. I believe most of the callers were competitors or would-be/wanna-be competitors.
I have long been a member of MSI, which has a home inspection division (but is better known for its involvement in the commercial construction community). I recently joined NACHI. Aside from the outrageous cost to belong to ASHI I am not even close to being philosophically aligned with the organizations core programs. Chiefly among them are the certification process. ASHI is far too political for my tastes.
I really don't think most customers are going to differentiate much among NACHI, NAHI, and ASHI. Some folks think that certification through MSI is the ultimate. Yet, most residential real estate folks have never even heard of MSI. I do a lot of work for engineers, lawyers, IT professionals, and other professionals who place a high value on my MSI certification. Most non-professionals look at my other qualifications.
I think NACHI certification is at least as good as an ASHI certification to most consumers. I also believe that among the large home inspection organizations it is the one that provides the most benefits to the individual inspector.
With NACHI's rate of growth combined with its core philosophies, I believe that NACHI is the one to go with. Especially as a new inspector. In ASHI, you could be an experienced inspector with a good solid background but they treat all new members with contempt. It doesn't matter who you are or what your qualifications are.
The exact opposite is true with NACHI. NACHI is a friendly organization that promotes the success of every inspector as an individual, not just a worker bee there to feed the queen bee. That's just my humble opinion...
Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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| gwells wrote: |
| NACHI is a friendly organization that promotes the success of every inspector as an individual... |
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HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
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Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865
HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
Originally Posted By: Guest
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Two words:
Stepford Wives
Originally Posted By: ekartal
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| Chad Fabry wrote: |
| Two words:
Stepford Wives |
Are those ladies NACHI members too? 
Erol
Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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| Chad Fabry wrote: |
| Two words:
Stepford Wives |
Chad:
You have to be a Member to realize the value of Membership.
NACHI Members are Businessmen as well as Home Inspectors.
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Joseph Hagarty
HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
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Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865
HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
Originally Posted By: rmoore2
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hey joe,
YOU HIT IT ON THE NAIL HEAD.......GOOD JOB !!!
RM
 
Originally Posted By: jmyers
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At least Don does understand that NACHI provides much more for lots less.
Joe Myers
Originally Posted By: Guest
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What Don understands is that even he can get in.
Originally Posted By: John Bowman
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| Chad Fabry wrote: |
| What Don understands is that even he can get in. |
Chad,
Is there one that he can't get in??
Originally Posted By: Guest
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He can get in ASHI, but he can’t use their logo or even advertise that he belongs.
The same w/ NAHI
The same with FIHI
only NACHI'll let him in and "certify" him.
Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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| Chad Fabry wrote: |
| He can get in ASHI, but he can't use their logo or even advertise that he belongs.
The same w/ NAHI The same with FIHI only NACHI'll let him in and "certify" him. |
"Don" will need to send in the 100 Inspections for review.
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Joseph Hagarty
HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com
Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865
HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
Originally Posted By: Guest
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Thank goodness
Originally Posted By: John Bowman
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That’s what’s so great about NACHI. They don’t charge you exorbant fees to use a non-profits logo, or disallow you to use their logo until such and such time when you have fulfilled ridiculous and some time scandoulous requirements enacted/enforced by the non-profit organization. In my opinion NACHI is not an overseer, NACHI is just an organization with a name. The membership makes up the quality part.
NACHI ESOP's do require that everyone must abide by their states laws. The states enforce the law not NACHI. (The way it should be). I for one see nothing wrong with being a member of the National Association of Certified Inspectors and that NACHI will attest or certify that I am, if I so choose.
Your persistance in ditching the NACHI organization is getting old.
Originally Posted By: Guest
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John,
It's even getting old for me. The problem is that public perception of the phrase "certified home inspector" goes far beyond its actual meaning of "it's certified that this person claims to be a home inspector".
The phrase in many cases borders on, maybe even qualifies as a lie.
It's not all about marketing in this world, and the benefits to individual never outweigh the responsibility of the profession to provide excellence as a whole. If the quality of the profession suffers at the hand of marketing then not only will NACHI members have to pay, but the HI community as an entity will suffer. NY now has legislation that is the result of crappy inspectors and unethical behaviors. So I'll have to pay for licensing because of their sins. I am not implying that NACHI is the cause of this law, but the fact is if all home inspectors were good at what they do, we probably wouldn't have the law.
One thing I've never argued is that NACHI may help a member market their business, I'm sure that the web exposure can't hurt those w/ web sites and this forum is a pretty good source of information.
Plain and simple though, it's unethical for NACHI to aid and abet in the deception and then call it marketing. It's not marketing, it's lying. At the very least it's intentionally misleading. As for the 100 inspection rule, I'm glad that Don will have to comply; nothing against Kevin McMahon, but he didn't know the requirement existed and that leads me to believe that the requirement is seldom enforced. If it is selectively enforced, Don's a good guy to use it on.
Originally Posted By: dfrend
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Chad, where is this big lie? I for one am sick of your repeated attacks. You are welcome to your opinion. But stop coming here as a NON-MEMBER GUEST and spreading your nonsense. Nonsense? Yes I said it. We’re liers huh? OK, I will bite? Where?
Oh, wait, you answered already. Because we Certify inspectors who may not be? What is the definition of certify? According to webster's te following is the one that seems to apply:
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| to attest as being true or as represented or as meeting a standard |
OK, so NACHI attests that I meet a certain standard. I am thus "Certified". No lies. How does NACHI know seems to be your point. The same as any other organization, the same as schools, employers, etc. They make you meet certain requirements. Wether you like our test or not, wether you find it easy or not, it is a REQUIREMENT.
Then we all have to fill out an affidavit. Chad, that is a LEGAL document. We are then BOUND to abide by the COE and by the SOP's. Do some not follow it? Sure, as I am sure do a lot of ASHI, NAHI, etc. Do bad apples slip in, yes. Just yesterday I saw a story on the news of a police officer who was arrested for DUI. Seems he was arrested twice before being on the job for the same thing. They missed it, and THEY do background checks.
My point here is we all sign a LEGAL document that binds us to certain terms to be members. Where are NACHI's standards required falling so short? If you don't think it is stringent enough------Tough. Don't join.
I think it is about time you either put up or shut up. If NACHI is such a hoax, and our standards are so low, send the COE committee the names of the inspectors you have seen in such poor action. When they have a chance to investigate some reports from them, maybe then we will listen to you. Could it be you have not even seen a NACHI inspectors work first hand? Could it be that your attacks are based on your own opinions and not any facts? You know what they say opinions are like.
Till then, why not stop putting down each and every lowly "Certified" inspector here. You attack our standards, so where is this quantifiable evidence that NACHI members are so below others?
Originally Posted By: John Bowman
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Chad,
Are your feelings and beliefs the same towards the Plumbers, Electrician's, Carpenter's, etc. Unions the same. Under your explanation towards the terms utilized by NACHI I would think that they do. It is for a fact that one only needs to stipulate or say that he is a member of such and such union. Unless he tells you that he/she is an apprentice and not a journeymen who would know the difference.
Your disapproval of the use of the word certified is noted. Your explanation and dissertation have been expressed. Now give it a rest. NACHI is well within any laws. They are not "lying" about anything. How you or anyone else perceives the title will always be argumentive and judgmental.
Your seemingly an intelligent individual. Why would you want to continue to pursue something that will never be changed is beyond me. Your coming very close to making comments/accusations about an organization that I belong to that may interrupt or deny my making a living as a NY State home inspector. Your twisting of the words and making them fit to your satisfaction for all to see is bordering on libel in that they are defamatory and are maliciously or damagingly misrepresenting the true intent and meaning.
Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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Chad:
Every Member is aware of the 100 Inspection requirement and signs an Affidavit attesting to the fact that they meet the requirements of Full Membership.
http://www.nachi.org/documents/application.htm
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Joseph Hagarty
HouseMaster / Main Line, PA
joseph.hagarty@housemaster.com
www.householdinspector.com
Phone: 610-399-9864
Fax : 610-399-9865
HouseMaster. Home inspections. Done right.
Originally Posted By: Guest
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For physicians:
The American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS) is an organization of 24 approved medical specialty boards. The intent of the certification of physicians is to provide assurance to the public that those certified by an ABMS Member Board have successfully completed an approved training program and an evaluation process assessing their ability to provide quality patient care in the specialty. The ABMS serves to coordinate the activities of its Member Boards and to provide information to others concerning issues involving specialization and certification of medical specialists.
For teachers:
National Board Certification concentrates education reform in the classroom?where teaching and learning takes place. National Board Certification is a demonstration of a teacher?s practice as measured against high and rigorous standards.
For lawyers:
To obtain accreditation for its program, an organization needs to show, among other things, that:
* It is dedicated to the identification of lawyers who exhibit an advanced level of skill and expertise and to the development and improvement of the professional competence of lawyers.
* It possesses the organizational and financial resources to carry out its certification program on a continuing basis, and that key personnel have by experience, education and professional background the ability to direct and carry out such programs.
* The requirements and process for certifying lawyers are not arbitrary, can be clearly understood and easily applied and do not discriminate against any lawyers seeking certification on the basis of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, disability, or age.
* Each speciality area in which certification is offered is an area of the law in which significant numbers of lawyers regularly practice and is described in terms which are understandable to both lawyers and potential clients.
For engineers:
MARK OF PROFESSIONALISM
The DEE title is an internationally-recognized certification granted by the American Academy of Environmental Engineers?. It?s the only certification process for professional environmental engineering specialists with these proven qualifications:
* A bachelors or advanced college degree in engineering or a related field
* A minimum of 8 years of full-time professional experience
* A Professional Engineer?s License in one or more states
* Successful completion of written and oral examinations
* Required continuing practice and ongoing professional education
AVAILABLE SPECIALTIES
By obtaining certification, the Diplomate Environmental Engineer demonstrates competence through comprehensive written and oral examinations in one or more of the following specialties:
* Air Pollution Control
* General Environmental Engineering
* Hazardous Waste Management
* Industrial Hygiene
* Radiation Protection
* Solid Waste Management
* Water Supply/Wastewater Engineering
The DEE is recognized by other professionals and government agencies as the hallmark of premier environmental engineers. The certification program is accredited by the Council of Engineering & Scientific Specialty Boards.
In conclusion: The dictionary definition of certified: To guarantee as meeting a standard: butter that was certified Grade A. See Synonyms at "approve".
To inform positively; assure.
The perception of "certified" does not necessarily follow the literal meaning. Capitalizing on the common misconception is, in my opinion at the very least, misleading.
Nick was a certified Radon abatement specialist. Go figure.