Need some help

Originally Posted By: kbliss
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I wish this picture came out better but here is a sub panel and there are two the same, they have breakers that slide on and off from side to side. What is this called?


Kurt Bliss


Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Kurt,


I am having a hard time understanding what the question is about these panels.

I lightened the picture up a little so everyone could see it better.

http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/usrimages/Newpanelpic.jpg

Is the second panel running off the first?

Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: lfranklin
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I don’t understand either.


Are these panels in a commercial building?


Originally Posted By: jpeck
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I think Kurt is referring to the breakers “sliding” on and off, right, Kurt?


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Originally Posted By: kbliss
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Sorry,


There are two cartridge fuses out at the main, each 100amp. Then there are the two sub panels in the garage like the one pictured. I was just curious as to if anyone can give me any information or helpfull tips on this type of setup. The home was built in 1953 and here in Fl. I usually dont see much of this, mostly newer homes so my knowledge is lacking with the older setups and I would like to learn more about this so I dont look like a dumb a#$.


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Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Kurt,


Do the breakers "slide" on and off?

What brand of panel (I did everything I could to make the panel photo better, but still could not make out the name of the panel.

I am not familiar with those breakers (if they slide).

If that is an unusual panel, you may not be able to fit replacement breakers for it, making the panel obsolete. That means either replacing it now, or when the first work is done on it. It's rather have my client thinking "now" rather than calling me in a few months saying "why didn't you tell me I'd have to replace this panel when ... "


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South Florida

Originally Posted By: Blaine Wiley
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Oh no, I’m transforming my brain back to when I kept a boat in Southern Maryland, winter, oh, oh, oh.


At the marina we had one of this type panel at the end of each dock. I believe they were Westinghouse panels and they had slide breakers. A little red button under the knob on the breaker popped up when the breaker was tripped. One of the breakers broke one day, and we couldn't find a replacement anywhere as no one even made (or knew of) aftermarket breakers. These breakers were very hard to reset when they tripped, and probably due to their age broke fairly easily. We ended up replacing the panel.

There was nothing inherently wrong with the panel or wiring, but I would let the client know that due to it's age and type parts availability may cause the need for a panel replacement.


Originally Posted By: kbliss
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Blaine,


Yes I think they were westinghouse, they were unreadable. They had breakers that slide back and forth. The big question is, how should I report on the main with the cartridge fuses. Are they acceptable? I usually just recommend the service should be updated if I see no safety issues.


Funny thing about this house, the wires from the street that came into the meter were only about 5 feet from a wood porch/deck where a person could reach out and touch them. I reported it as a hazard, the sellers realtor has sold that house three times and nobody ever question it.


Kurt Bliss


Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Maybe too many adult pops, but it looks like a pushmatic panel???


Mike P.


Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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These are ITE pushmatic breakers



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Originally Posted By: phinsperger
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Isn’t there some sort of problem with the pushmatic breakers? I thought I heard that somewhere. I only seen one so far.



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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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No. Pushmatic breakers aren’t problematic, really. They are a bit expenxice, though. They’re no longer manufactured (I believe) , and the last I chexked, a dual 15A breaker assembly (compact) was more than $45 !


The neutral/ground bus configuration wasn't the greatest. It is located in the space above the breakers, and utilizes cloted screws as hold-downd for the neutral and grounding conductors.

These panels were quite popular for a while... I see lots of 'em.


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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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To my knowledge the breakers are still available but you better go get a loan to finance a few of them, they are costly. icon_biggrin.gif


Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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I’ll sell you some. icon_lol.gif


I have 30,40,50,60 and 100 amp two poles.

Mike P.