# Neutral Magic **URL:** \ **Category:** Electrical Inspections\ **Created:** [November 21, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861 "2006-11-21T03:15:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Tab\_M.Wilcox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Tab\_M.Wilcox](https://forum.nachi.org/u/Tab_M.Wilcox)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 3:15am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/1 "2006-11-21T03:15:08Z")
Professional job !! ![IMG_0005 (Small).JPG](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/3X/3/b/3b92d0f0b49d9a6d3a185fcd9762d4d0ca02dc99.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![bkelly2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/bkelly2/32/58257_2.png) [@bkelly2](https://forum.nachi.org/u/bkelly2)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 3:16am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/2 "2006-11-21T03:16:53Z")
WOW:roll: :shock: ---
**Author:** ![dhadler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dhadler/32/1233_2.png) [@dhadler](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dhadler)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 5:27am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/3 "2006-11-21T05:27:07Z")
Geezzz…I’m going to have to add a few more descriptive defects to my reports…triple taps…quadruple taps…quintuplit taps:shock: Maybe to keep it simple…Multi - taps.🙂 ---
**Author:** ![tdietrich1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/tdietrich1/32/1561_2.png) [@tdietrich1](https://forum.nachi.org/u/tdietrich1)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 6:15am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/4 "2006-11-21T06:15:04Z")
Even after all that, they still managed to get more than one neutral under a screw. Geez… ---
**Author:** ![Speedy\_Petey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f6c823/32.png) [@Speedy\_Petey](https://forum.nachi.org/u/Speedy_Petey)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 11:41am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/5 "2006-11-21T11:41:51Z")
That is one of the scarriest things I have ever seen! ESPECIALLY from a pro. Again, not only did they manage to funnel potentially hundreds of amps worth of current through three #12s, they are all in the same hole. Proof that few inspectors (electrical that is) remove panel covers. ---
**Author:** ![pabernathy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/pabernathy/32/178230_2.png) [@pabernathy](https://forum.nachi.org/u/pabernathy)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 2:20pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/6 "2006-11-21T14:20:33Z")
Simply a shame to the profession…Would LOVE to speak with the “PRO” who did this and explain a few things. Never seems to amaze me what people will do. ---
**Author:** ![rcooke](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/rcooke/32/57038_2.png) [@rcooke](https://forum.nachi.org/u/rcooke)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 4:00pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/7 "2006-11-21T16:00:18Z")
> [@pabernathy](#): > > Simply a shame to the profession…Would LOVE to speak with the “PRO” who did this and explain a few things. > > Never seems to amaze me what people will do. I sure hope this was not done by an electrician . This is a disgrace Roy Cooke ---
**Author:** ![Tab\_M.Wilcox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7ba0ec/32.png) [@Tab\_M.Wilcox](https://forum.nachi.org/u/Tab_M.Wilcox)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2006, 4:23pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/8 "2006-11-21T16:23:42Z")
This condition was found in a 1 year old home. The home is located in a small municipality with a weak AHJ. I believe this work was performed by a licensed electrical contractor. Tab ---
**Author:** ![tdietrich1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/tdietrich1/32/1561_2.png) [@tdietrich1](https://forum.nachi.org/u/tdietrich1)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2006, 2:55am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/9 "2006-11-22T02:55:00Z")
Weak or strong AHJ is regardless, common sense should prevail. I hope the home owner plans on suing the electrician. Or at least exposing his work to the media. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Fretwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@Greg\_Fretwell](https://forum.nachi.org/u/Greg_Fretwell)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 2:05am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/10 "2006-11-24T02:05:12Z")
We had a similar question over at Bob Badger’s house except the single wire was 250.66 size (or alternately computed for 250.122 based on worst case phase loading). I don’t think anyone really came up with something that said it was wrong specifically in the code. Obviously using a #12 would not meet the 250.122 test (adding up all the overcurrent devices) ---
**Author:** ![rcooke](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/rcooke/32/57038_2.png) [@rcooke](https://forum.nachi.org/u/rcooke)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 2:11am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/11 "2006-11-24T02:11:40Z")
> [@Greg Fretwell](#): > > We had a similar question over at Bob Badger’s house except the single wire was 250.66 size (or alternately computed for 250.122 based on worst case phase loading). I don’t think anyone really came up with something that said it was wrong specifically in the code. Obviously using a #12 would not meet the 250.122 test (adding up all the overcurrent devices) Greg code # do not mean much to most home inspectors including me . Thanks Roy Cooke ---
**Author:** ![Greg\_Fretwell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f1d935/32.png) [@Greg\_Fretwell](https://forum.nachi.org/u/Greg_Fretwell)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 3:04am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/12 "2006-11-24T03:04:48Z")
250.66 is the size of the ground electrode conductor, based on the service conductor size and 250.122 is the size of the equipment ground conductor, based on the breaker size. ---
**Author:** ![dedwards](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e95f7d/32.png) [@dedwards](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dedwards)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2006, 3:48am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/neutral-magic/9861/13 "2006-11-24T03:48:30Z")
This was the ground wire on an electric furnace yesterday.