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It is on the form:

Perfrrest, f ucking perfect. :smiley:

… or grandfathering of the 3 division 1 contractors? :wink:

I guess my point to all this was, NO ONE other than DBPR, has ANY “authority” over ANY regulated trades in Florida, as far as the “scope” of the license is concerned. DBPR is the governing body for regulated trades in Florida. Please anyone… correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve been doing this a long time and I tend to stay very well informed.

When I read this BS… from Citizens no less, I took it as the Wind Mitigation Inspector not only had to be properly licensed by the state, but ALSO “authorized” by Citizens Corporation to perform the inspections & reports. I guess what I was asking was, does anyone know of any specific regulations, aside from licensing, that is *required *to legally perform a Wind Mitigation report? Hence my lil jab about the My Safe Florida Home program… to which I was a certified (cough) residential contractor, but not an inspector.

On a side note, if a client, or “fee owner” hires *any *contractor directly, it is absolutely said client’s *responsibility *to confirm the contractor’s legality prior to contracting. If Florida grants an applicant a license, and the licensee remains in compliance with it’s relevant Florida’s statutes… you are authorized, period. *Licensure *is authorization by the governing body, to legally perform services for the scope intended. <–(my definition) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licensure <–(official definition?)

Now… we are all professionals here. Can you imagine how the average consumer will read Citizens official statement above? Not to mention what the average insurance professional will start to do? I’m not some fanatical nutcase… err, well maybe so <grin>… but IMHO this is just blatant favoritism on Citizens’ part… and since they are owned, operated, and regulated by the state of Florida, potentially political corruption<?> Maybe a shout out to John Morgan is overdue? LOL

Have a prosperous day guys!

I can’t speak intelligently as to what InterNACHI actually is, as I am not an official member, but from personal experiences here it looks to be an educational resource for those wanting to become a Home Inspector, and also a good forum for those involved in the trade to share knowledge and communicate relevant changes in concerning the trade. I believe that you are the owner/President from what I can tell? So I ask you respectfully… what is InterNACHI and what are it’s goals?

Fixed it for ya… :slight_smile:

They actually removed some language from the original version.

You are 1/2 right about the education, however nearly all of our courses are completed by existing, licensed home inspectors, not people wanting to become a home inspector. Most people who take courses to become a home inspector never enter the profession or leave it shortly. Licensing has caused our free inspection courses with their 1,200+ governmental approvals to become very popular. Education is one of our three main columns. The other two are marketing and member benefits. The three together sort of sum up what InterNACHI is.

As for goals, we have but one major goal: For all inspections in the world to be performed solely by InterNACHI members. We are well on our way to achieving that (especially in the U.S., Canada, South Africa, Australia, and China) and we’ve done it by continually providing members with more and more competitive advantages over non-members until it becomes utterly impossible to be profitable without InterNACHI membership. It’s already become almost silly to be a non-member from a purely business decision standpoint, but we aim to make it all but impossible.

I thought Citizens was a PUBLIC (that’s us) funded insurance program to assist home owners to acquire insurance when it is out of reach by other venues.
Must have missed something here as OUR funded company endorses THREE companies as if to insinuate, if you use anyone else you will be re-inspected.

Funny that you mention contacting John Morgan. I actually did that for the reasons you noted above as well as raised the question of if the issue above is also a violation of the unfair trade practice act. I thought that Morgan would be well versed on the issue, especially since their poster boy is our former Governor- who is well versed - or should be - on how things operate in Tallahassee. Unfortunately, they were not interested in the case. In spite of their lack of interest, I still believe that the favoritism from Citizens, as well as the apparent unfair trade advantage codified in FS 627.711 may be grounds for a class action.

Sign me up. I hate em :slight_smile: SCUM from the top down.

Nope… and don’t quote me, but I believe their “board” is appointed by Gov Scott?

https://www.citizensfla.com/about/generalinfo.cfm

That is sad… although John is a political giant in his own right here in Florida. It would be nice to live to see the day, when doing the right thing for the right reasons supersedes an individual’s or group’s personal gains. “For The People” only applies for the paying customers I presume? :wink:

You are correct but, an inspection of any means does NOT fall under the scope of a contractor’s license. Insurance inspections fall under the OIR and HOME inspections fall under DBPR. Just as companies can require and adjuster to have X number of years of experience so can they require any inspector to jump through any hoop, if the OIR approves it. Surly you remember when “home inspectors” could not do wind mit. Did you know that Residential contractors can not do MIT II/IIIs.

Not that I care , but where is that written ?

Roy

Not sure but I have seen it as well and agree with John. Maybe on the form???

Ok ! I see that now .

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0600-0699/0627/Sections/0627.711.html

The above listed site will take you to the State Statute that authorizes Home Inspectors to complete the form given the additional training requirements.

So it is NOT Citizens that came up with this - I am sure that they would gladly dis-allow us to do these inspections.

On the form

Wow - Sorry that you’re not a member anymore John! :slight_smile:

https://www.citizensfla.com/shared/inspection/documents/WindMitigationFAQs_Policyholders.pdf

Thanks again for your response… yeah, I understand my Division 1 scope very well… it’s the HI scope that is perplexing… along with the OIR-B1-1802 authorization law itself. The legally binding “authorized” statement is where I’d like to be pointed, as I always want to maintain compliance. I’m not the sharpest tack in the box, but I have yet to find where any legally governing body in Florida states who can/cannot fill out the OIR-B1-1802… other than “it’s on the form”. :wink:

And yes, back in “the day”, if my memory serves me right, only MSFH certified “Inspectors” could complete the “entire” wind mit worksheet and form, but they allowed/accepted MSFH certified “Contractors” to fill out only the relevant section of work they/their company performed. I completed over 240 shutter installs for the City of Palm Bay during their MSFH shutter lottery back in 2008/2009 and filled out the opening protection portion for each installation. From the feedback I received from my customers, their insurers were giving the discounts. I did have one client who had Universal Insurance that was given a hard time, so I got Bob Williams involved (P.B. Project Specialist & MSFH Inspector) who intervened.

So that was then, this is now. Mike Meeker posted a pdf from Citizens. All I have seen in it is that the 3 butt-boy inspection firms “endorsed” by Citizens are properly licensed, have had criminal background checks (every DBPR licensee has had fingerprint/FBI checks!), and that they provide & require annual training to their inspectors. (more BS re-hash of the same info, and “they provide”? Doesn’t state it is an approved CE course, etc!)

[BS re-hash explanation]: You and I as builders in coastal counties of Florida know that there have not been any breakthrough changes in the residential building code concerning actual construction. The windborne debris protection and SS connectors/fasteners@beachside requirements come to mind. I don’t know what you’ve experienced, but every CE course I’ve taken in many years has been the same ole, same ole… boring! :wink: I’m not discrediting refresher courses mind you. Some people need them, some do not. But Citizens “selling point” for their “endorsed” inspection firms for anyone with a clue about Florida contracting is nonsense! And if this were your a-typical, for-profit corporation… I would expect nothing less. But from Citizens, run by nothing but politician appointed fanboys at our (Florida residents) expense? On a side note: almost every person I’ve had contact with has had little nice to say about Citizens. Personal experience: I rebuilt several homes back in Brevard’s 2004/2005 “blue-tarp era” and every client that had Citizens back then, had to put money out of pocket. State Farm, Allstate, Nationwide… all pocketed money as a rule. I’m not condoning that either… but it was what it was.