# No secondary drain line? Float switch installed **URL:** \ **Category:** Inspecting HVAC Systems\ **Created:** [February 7, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370 "2023-02-07T17:16:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dbrewster](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dbrewster/32/177231_2.png) [@dbrewster](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dbrewster)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/1 "2023-02-07T17:16:52Z")
Im seeing this more and more on new builds. Theres a float switch installed but the secondary drain is capped. Is this ok. Personally I dont think so, i woukd want both. Any requirements that state either or? ![20230207_110256](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/4X/3/a/f/3afcb215ed6b372696577577d0f448bec48d92f1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![kleonard](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kleonard/32/170953_2.png) [@kleonard](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kleonard)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 5:33pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/2 "2023-02-07T17:33:24Z")
IMO that condensation line should terminate to a drain. ---
**Author:** ![mschneider5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mschneider5/32/356101_2.png) [@mschneider5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mschneider5)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 5:44pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/3 "2023-02-07T17:44:24Z")
My understanding is that is OKAY From IRC: ### [M1411.3.1 Auxiliary and Secondary Drain Systems](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/14/heating-and-cooling-equipment-and-appliances#M1411.3.1) In addition to the requirements of [Section M1411.3](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/14/heating-and-cooling-equipment-and-appliances#M1411.3), a secondary [drain](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#drain) or auxiliary [drain](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#drain) pan shall be required for each cooling or evaporator coil where damage to any building components will occur as a result of overflow from the [equipment](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#equipment) [drain](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#drain) pan or stoppage in the [condensate](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#condensate) [drain](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#drain) piping. Such piping shall maintain a minimum horizontal [slope](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#slope) in the direction of discharge of not less than 1/8 unit vertical in 12 units horizontal (1-percent [slope](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#slope)). [Drain](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#drain) piping shall be not less than 3/4-inch (19 mm) nominal pipe size. **One** of the following methods shall be used: … 1. An auxiliary [drain](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#drain) pan without a separate [drain](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#drain) line shall be installed under the coils on which condensation will occur. **This pan shall be equipped with a water level detection device conforming to UL 508 that will shut off the [equipment](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#equipment) served prior to overflow of the pan.** The pan shall be equipped with a fitting to allow for drainage. The auxiliary [drain](https://up.codes/viewer/austin/irc-2021/chapter/2/definitions#drain) pan shall be constructed in accordance with Item 1 of this section. _Edit: but maybe the secondary drain should have an uncapped nipple leading into the pan, instead of being capped like you said? Ill let others provide input on that._ _Edit2: On second reading, that standard does say “the pan should have a fitting to allow for drainage.” That’s referring to the inner pan, huh? looks like you do need a fitting to allow drainage into the aux pan._ ---
**Author:** ![dandersen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dandersen/32/59398_2.png) [@dandersen](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dandersen)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/4 "2023-02-07T18:52:22Z")
There is no requirement to hook up the secondary. There is a requirement to install a float switch or equivalent if there is a drain pan below the unit and it is located above the ceiling in the Attic Etc. ---
**Author:** ![imayer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/imayer/32/197054_2.png) [@imayer](https://forum.nachi.org/u/imayer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/5 "2023-02-07T18:59:18Z")
Float switch is fine. I just make an informational comment in my report about them so they know if the system shuts down, call an HVAC tech. ---
**Author:** ![bcawhern1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/bcawhern1/32/408713_2.png) [@bcawhern1](https://forum.nachi.org/u/bcawhern1)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/6 "2023-02-07T19:10:59Z")
> [@mschneider5](#): > > The pan shall be equipped with a fitting to allow for drainage. I guess you could just unscrew it? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/4X/a/4/e/a4e87ca505737de1e8aa18e3c9337fb5dcb7a1e9.png) ---
**Author:** ![mfellman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mfellman/32/369692_2.png) [@mfellman](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mfellman)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 7:11pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/7 "2023-02-07T19:11:00Z")
Yep, from what I’ve learned it’s one or the other. To me it’s much more important to be sure the pan is completely under the coils and water will actually reach the drain or switch. In that pic the looks to be separated from the pan and there’s a good chance the condensate will run out before triggering the switch. ---
**Author:** ![mschneider5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mschneider5/32/356101_2.png) [@mschneider5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mschneider5)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 8:48pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/8 "2023-02-07T20:48:37Z")
There are two different pans being referred to here, in my understanding. There’s the pan inside the evap coil, and then there is the aux pan. The aux pan should not have the plug taken off, if it is not drained to the exterior. The _secondary condensate drain_ on the evap coil unit needs to have the cap taken off, if it is meant to drain into the aux pan… without damaging the evap coil, anyway I would not refer to the aux pan drain that you just referenced as the “secondary condensate”, necessarily. After all, sometimes there is a secondary condensate drain _in addition_ to the aux pan drain (they are almost always joined at some point, but my point stands) ---
**Author:** ![mschneider5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mschneider5/32/356101_2.png) [@mschneider5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mschneider5)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/9 "2023-02-07T21:02:01Z")
OP, you have a picture of the larger area, including the evap coil? ---
**Author:** ![bcawhern1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/bcawhern1/32/408713_2.png) [@bcawhern1](https://forum.nachi.org/u/bcawhern1)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/10 "2023-02-07T21:23:23Z")
> [@mschneider5](#): > > The _secondary condensate drain_ on the evap coil unit I am not sure what that is. I know of this ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/4X/4/6/3/4630b5b57883470f7ae2fe0b8473cf5afd33d3f4.png) And this: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/4X/8/7/2/872c966c316ffe8b5f7ee05795ecc72853799247.png) ---
**Author:** ![mschneider5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mschneider5/32/356101_2.png) [@mschneider5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mschneider5)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 10:19pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/11 "2023-02-07T22:19:21Z")
What do you call the port that has this float switch installed on it? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/4X/b/1/6/b167c3d68fae308522f79128dd6567a7fc7b52d5.jpeg) It’s not the primary…not the tertiary… it’s the…… ---
**Author:** ![yzhang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/yzhang/32/57038_2.png) [@yzhang](https://forum.nachi.org/u/yzhang)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/12 "2023-02-07T22:27:56Z")
The primary and secondary condensate drains are directly attached to the interior drain pan below the evaporator coil. Typically, the secondary drain is either elevated vertically above the primary drain or there is a partial plug in the secondary compared to the primary. The auxiliary drain pan and drain are the exterior pan and drain below the hvac unit. ---
**Author:** ![yzhang](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/yzhang/32/57038_2.png) [@yzhang](https://forum.nachi.org/u/yzhang)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 10:38pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/13 "2023-02-07T22:38:41Z")
> [@mschneider5](#): > > The _secondary condensate drain_ on the evap coil unit needs to have the cap taken off, if it is meant to drain into the aux pan… without damaging the evap coil, anyway The evaporator coil is not going to get damaged if the secondary is plugged. The coil is usually made of aluminum or copper and is wet during operation anyways. That’s where the condensate(water) comes from in the first place. If the secondary drain is plugged, the water overflows the internal drain pan and gets soaked up in the insulation and eventually leaks out at joints in the outer metal box surrounding the evaporator coil, and then into the pan below. The metal box will rust but that’s not the main problem. The main problem is the wet insulation holding water and becoming a mold factory. The wet insulation also loses R-value, which is an energy efficiency issue. The outside metal box is also now going to have moisture condense on it, leading to more mold growth on the outside. If the unit is in a crawlspace, it will start activate the mold in the crawlspace. Triple whammy. ---
**Author:** ![mschneider5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mschneider5/32/356101_2.png) [@mschneider5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mschneider5)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 10:56pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/14 "2023-02-07T22:56:29Z")
> [@yzhang](#): > > The metal box will rust but that’s not the main problem. That’s the damage I was referring to The cabinet, not the coil. My bad. ---
**Author:** ![mschneider5](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mschneider5/32/356101_2.png) [@mschneider5](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mschneider5)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2023, 11:14pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/15 "2023-02-07T23:14:51Z")
> [@yzhang](#): > > If the secondary drain is plugged, the water overflows the internal drain pan and gets soaked up in the insulation and eventually leaks out at joints in the outer metal box surrounding the evaporator coil, and then into the pan below. The metal box will rust but that’s not the main problem. Exactly what I was imagining! ---
**Author:** ![acunningham2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/acunningham2/32/181548_2.png) [@acunningham2](https://forum.nachi.org/u/acunningham2)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 3:03pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/16 "2023-02-12T15:03:56Z")
??? Sorry that drain should terminate over a window to help indicate that there is an issue. The float switch is an emergency back up incase the line gets stopped up. That setup is relying on a man made, properly installed, and operating device. ---
**Author:** ![srechkin](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/srechkin/32/180448_2.png) [@srechkin](https://forum.nachi.org/u/srechkin)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2023, 3:27pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/17 "2023-02-12T15:27:53Z")
> [@acunningham2](#): > > That setup is relying on a man made, properly installed, and operating device. The whole system needs to be properly maintained. The pan’s drain can get clogged just as easily and you won’t see any dripping in front of a window until it’s leaking down the ceiling. The codes, as mentioned, allow the secondary pan not to drain if there is a float kill switch. If you do not agree, the codes need to change. Now, I agree that both would be better than just the switch alone, but it’s not required. Usually, the switch kills the AC and people call a tech to fix the issue, so no problem. The float switch should be tested yearly, just like a low water level cut off on a steam boiler. ---
**Author:** ![acunningham2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/acunningham2/32/181548_2.png) [@acunningham2](https://forum.nachi.org/u/acunningham2)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/18 "2023-02-13T14:14:05Z")
If the switch works right. To me it’s just cheapness and laziness, and god forbid should an HVAC tech make a mistake, and they are never cheap and lazy. There’s a better chance that the wonder kill switch wont work than the line clogging up. The line won’t usually clog unless the system has had deferred maintenance for a while. ---
**Author:** ![cpfeiffer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/cpfeiffer/32/249767_2.png) [@cpfeiffer](https://forum.nachi.org/u/cpfeiffer)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/19 "2024-03-19T14:37:05Z")
Believe it not, that ridiculous setup meets the minimum code. The 2021 International Mechanical Code (quoted below with emphasis added) does not mandate the inclusion of a float switch in the condensate system or specify that, when a switch is used, it must be installed directly on the pan itself. In all cases, the use of a float switch is only one of four options. While the installation of a float switch in every secondary condensate system is a common business practice and is always allowed, it is only required by the code when no separate drain line is present. **2021 International Mechanical Code** **307.2.3 Auxiliary and secondary drain systems.** In addition to the requirements of section 307.2.1, where damage to any building component could occur as a result of overflow from the equipment primary condensate removal system, **ONE of the following auxiliary protection methods** shall be provided for each cooling coil or fuel fired appliance that produces condensate: 1. An auxiliary drain pan with a separate drain shall be provided under the coils on which condensation will occur the auxiliary pan drain shall discharge to a conspicuous point of disposal to alert occupants in the event of a stoppage of the primary drain the pan shall have a minimum depth of 1.5 inches (38 mm), shall be not less than 3 inches (76 mm) larger than the unit or the coil dimensions in width and length and shall be constructed of corrosion-resistant material. Galvanized sheet steel pans shall have a minimum thickness of not less than 0.0236 inch (0.6010 mm) (No 24 gauge). Non-metallic pans shall have a minimum thickness of not less than 0.0625 inch (1.6 mm). 2. A separate overflow drain line shall be connected to the drain pan provided with the equipment such overflow drain shall discharge to a conspicuous point of disposal to alert occupants in the event of a stoppage of the primary drain. The overflow drain line shall connect to the drain pan at a higher level than the primary drain connection. 3. An auxiliary drain pan **without a separate drain line** shall be provided under the coils on which condensate will occur. **Such pan shall be equipped with a water-level detection device** conforming to UL 508 that will shut off the equipment served prior to overflow of the pan, the auxiliary drain pan shall be constructed in accordance with item 1 of this section. 4. A water-level detection device conforming to UL 508 shall be provided that will shut off the equipment served in the event that the primary drain is blocked. The device shall be installed in the primary drain line, the overflow drain line, or in the equipment supplied drain pan, located at a point higher than the primary drain line connection and below the overflow rim of such pan. **Exception:** Fuel-fired appliances that automatically shut down operation in the event of a stoppage in the condensate drainage system. [Source](https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IMC2021P3/chapter-3-general-regulations#IMC2021P3_Ch03_Sec307) [2021 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE (IMC) ICC DIGITAL CODES](https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IMC2021P3/chapter-3-general-regulations#IMC2021P3_Ch03_Sec307) ICC Digital Codes is the largest provider of model codes, custom codes and standards used worldwide to construct safe, sustainable, affordable and resilient structures. > **[Digital Codes](https://codes.iccsafe.org)** > > ICC Digital Codes is the largest provider of model codes, custom codes and standards used worldwide to construct safe, sustainable, affordable and resilient structures. ---
**Author:** ![dandersen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dandersen/32/59398_2.png) [@dandersen](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dandersen)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 11:22pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370/20 "2024-03-23T23:22:25Z")
1 Yr later: Who cares about the code? I have the code, and it has nothing to do with your inspection. Your not a code inspector. If it is causing a significant issue, it’s yours. If not, leave it alone. [Next page](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-secondary-drain-line-float-switch-installed/225370.md?page=2)