escanlan
November 30, 2015, 3:51am
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It’s in my response above.
kleonard
November 30, 2015, 3:51am
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gromicko:
Well, it might not be a fair comparison. Edward Snowden is not a traitor to his country (the U.S.). He was exposing traitors and upholding American values. Conversely, George Washington was most definitely a traitor to his country (England).
OMG I almost busted a nut when I read that.
Thanks for the laugh Nick.
kleonard
November 30, 2015, 3:53am
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I missed it. Entertain me and post it again.
gromicko
November 30, 2015, 3:57am
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They both have something in common: Not a single NSA employee or Gitmo guard has been tried and executed for their crimes.
kleonard
November 30, 2015, 4:00am
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Oh, geewiz, well why didn’t you mention that in the first place. :roll:
escanlan
November 30, 2015, 4:01am
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kleonard:
And therein lies the problem, you’ve been fed a line of BS and you believed it.
Most media stories these days are nothing but dramatization and a lot of BS for the ratings.
Nobody is listening to your phone calls or reading your emails, not unless you’ve been put on a watch list.
Not entirely correct and that is from my own experiences. Also many people are placed on a “watch list” merely because they did say some “catch phrase” during a phone conversation or posted something to their FaceBook page. The way our government collects and uses data is no better than the old KGB, Nazis, and other similar groups!
Meta data is kept for future investigations if needed.
Are you involved with the processing of this data or is this just something you were told?
Are you against the government eaves dropping on potential terrorists?
And who are the potential terrorists? Is Grandma down the street a potential terrorist because she said she wants to off the current POTUS for screwing up her medical plan? There is no need to collect the amount of data without a valid reason and target for doing so.
This isn’t 1955 and unfortunately the world we live in today requires it.
Actually no it doesn’t. What is required is for our government to do its actual job of handling the known problems. They do this so poorly now that the government exposes the American citizens to danger.
If your scared and don’t want to be tracked or recorded, your only option is to go off the grid and live in a hole.
A criminal who was entrusted with then stole state secrets, then after his betrayal he fled his country and gave or sold those secrets to the media and other countries including communist countries, you’re comparing to George Washington?
So are you saying that George Washington did not betray his country, England, that he no doubt swore an oath of allegiance to?
Really Nick?
Thoughts and questions in blue above.
kleonard
November 30, 2015, 4:07am
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You never answered my first question Manny.
What are the sources for your information?
Thanks in advance.
escanlan
November 30, 2015, 4:08am
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It’s in my response above. You read plenty of news stories I am sure you can read the response above.
kleonard
November 30, 2015, 4:10am
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Please entertain me and post it again. Copy and paste it if you need to.
Thanks in advance.
gromicko
November 30, 2015, 4:10am
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Deaths from terrorism = thousands.
Deaths from tyranny = hundreds of millions.
kleonard
November 30, 2015, 4:12am
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I see.
So in other words, you fear the US government & Google more than you fear isis?
gromicko
November 30, 2015, 5:03am
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The U.S. government created ISIS. I don’t make that much of a distinction.
gromicko
November 30, 2015, 5:19am
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And the war criminals we have running Gitmo are responsible for ISIS’s amazing recruitment success.
cevans
November 30, 2015, 8:01am
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Gitmo was an excuse not a cause.
gromicko
November 30, 2015, 1:58pm
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Valid excuse too. You aren’t allowed to invade someone’s homeland, capture their young men, some as children who did nothing more than correctly and patriotically attempt to defend their sovereign nation by trying to kill you, take them to a far away island, deny them family visitation, deny them a fair trial, keep them in permanent captivity for years and years and years, torture them, and refused to free them even after they were cleared for release. These Gitmo war criminals have disgraced their uniform, America, and all it stands for.
mlarson
November 30, 2015, 1:59pm
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That bridge in Brooklyn is still for sale.
Place your bids here
The winning bid includes an all expenses paid trip to the luxurious accommodations in Cuba(GITMO)
cevans
November 30, 2015, 2:07pm
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gromicko:
Valid excuse too. You aren’t allowed to invade someone’s homeland, capture their young men, some as children who did nothing more than correctly and patriotically attempt to defend their sovereign nation by trying to kill you, take them to a far away island, deny them family visitation, deny them a fair trial, keep them in permanent captivity for years and years and years, torture them, and refused to free them even after they were cleared for release. These Gitmo war criminals have disgraced their uniform, America, and all it stands for.
I don’t disagree, but it has nothing to do with the cause of the conflict or Terrorism. If it did, they would expend so much energy murdering each other.
gromicko
November 30, 2015, 2:17pm
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Correct. The cause of the conflict is that the U.S. went to the other side of the planet earth and attacked, invaded, and disrupted an entire region.
gromicko
November 30, 2015, 7:05pm
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Michael is correct. That is the result of trespassing into some other people’s sovereign country and interfering with it. You aren’t allowed to demand “regime change” from any sovereign nation. Osama bin Laden explained and warned us over and over that if we didn’t stop meddling in Arab countries that he would make it “incrementally more painful” until we left. We still haven’t left. Hence 911. More pain to come.
