Outdoor Fireplace

Home is 35 Years old.
Fireplace has never been used.
Located on a 2nd Floor Deck.
Explained the Fire Hazard to the Buyer as he was hoping to use this…

Is it a fireplace or a brick oven? (not that it changes the safety much)

It appeared that the original concept or idea for this was for a type of Grille.

I’ve seen those, but they usually have a lip at the front. This one would have embers fall right out… and poof!

But they do make gooood pizza.

Did you sugggest a remedy? Doesn’t seem too complex or expensive to provide a solution to the problem. Photos may not indicate all that I need to ascertain what might be necessary.

Inspect it like a normal fireplace.
The outer hearth in deficient.

Looks incomplete, to make your client happy as well cover you but tell them “in its current state the operation of this fireplace is a serious fire hazard, however, this appears to be have built in place as an option should the home owner choose to pursue it. There are inserts and modifacations that can be installed to make this function. This must be done by a qualified contractor prior to use.”

I have seen this before they usually are for gas, looks like they never finished it. It actually is pretty nice when its done, serves no purpose but to pretty up the deck though.

The narrative works as a referral Shane.
Do you want to be a referral inspector?
The rimes ( RIMES delivers the world’s premier sources of data over the Internet. Our data is the most comprehensive, timely and up-to-date, and is constantly verified to the ) of education that many need to develop their home inspection hypotheses is endless.
To be a good invested home inspection is the dissection of the component, material, system and narrate it’s defects and deficiencies.
That is one part.
Then it is the code compliance in which it falls under.
Then the ability to recommend repairs replacement or upgrades by the qualified tradesman, technical professional or specialist, etc
Lastly cost.
The referral inspectors mostly work for agents.:frowning:

I think that’s a bit much. His comment does say “in its current state the operation of this fireplace is a serious fire hazard” and “This must be done by a qualified contractor prior to use”. Those are pretty straight forward, even dogmatic, comments. He could stand to simplify and toughen up the comments a little but it’s not a capitulation to an agent by any means. The fireplace wouldn’t need condemned, just fixed(or finished). Maybe something like:

The fireplace is a serious fire hazard in its current state. Recommend a complete evaluation prior to fireplace operation by a qualified fireplace/chimney contractor to determine condition and to perform all necessary repairs or modifications which would allow for safe use.

Do you think that would do?

Yes I do see I am being strong in my interpretation of his narrative.
It is a good narrative. He has a great use of words.
There is no explanation of why.
What safety issues does he see?

" the outer hearth does not extend the required xx inches."
Outer hearth act as a----------------

recommendation: The deck should be fire resistant for the first xx number of inches.
This would insure family safety and------------------

Shane can be a strong inspector with the ability to fill a report with that style of verbiage.

would the absence of support for the cantilevered deck/balcony be an issue to anyone

really enjoying the narrative coaching


Did not even pay attention.

The thread: Outdoor fireplace.
Your the king mate!!

Robert i understand what you are saying in regards to referal and agents. I work for my client, the thing about customer service is you want to do your job but not make the buyer feel like an idiot. My clients pick me after they have already been approved for x mortgage, fell in love with the house and are an inch away from buying it. My job is not to crush their dreams, its to find the problem, report it and most of all NOT making them feel stupid for not seeing it. Give em hope if hope is available, they prob spent the last 48 hours picturing there kids playing in that house. Among knowledge we need a good bedside manor. Remember most people end up buying houses regardless of our reports,

But you are right about my narrative. I didnt expect it to be copy and pasted lol. The point ofit was to show that although its a useless fireplace as it is currently it looks like it was notsupposed to be used becuase it is half done fleshed in work. Thank you for keeping on my toes though much appriciate it. Strong narratives make for strong inspectors you are very correct.

To be fare Barry, how do you determine if the cantilever is a safety issue if you can not see if there is any anchorage.

Sorry all but here goes.

I use to be a setup engineer.
I worked 150 and 200 foot setups.
I hung swing and tract stage outriggers.

I am not afraid of the cantilever on that unit.
It must be anchored…
Does there need to be bracing on every cantilevered overhang on residential buildings.
If you can not determine the anchorage do you call it out and to whom.

PS. I use a bore scope.
I would not let the inspection for anchorage go by easily.

Shane. That is not a useless anything.
Null hypotheses always.
There was a financial investment made into the home.
That fireplace and chimney can add extra value to a home.
What the inspector looks at are safety issue.
When you get more in-depth into the field you may well be doing consolations.
Consultations that might help the home owner of that chimney and fire place manage a job over site that reinvests again to make the fire place and chimney safe and get a better return on there financial investment.
You are doing great.

It would make a nice place for a small gas or charcoal grill.

I don’t think it was ever meant to build a fire in it. IMHO of course.

It surely looks like it has not been used also Michel…
Mr. Hagarty do you have any photos showing the full fireplace and chimney?