Over Kill

Originally Posted By: jpope
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I guess they needed it for 400 amps icon_cool.gif






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Originally Posted By: rshumake
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Since someone spent alot of money for this electrical service, you would think that they could do better than NOTCHING the soffit!!!


Originally Posted By: jpope
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And leaving the SE cables on the roof icon_confused.gif



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Originally Posted By: Ryan Jackson
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What is the overkill?



Ryan Jackson, Salt Lake City

Originally Posted By: psmothers
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The overkill is the size of service that they upgraded to. Unless they have a small factory inside it would probably be considered by most as a little excessive.


Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Ryan


The overkill is (are) the 'other' violations. ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)

Mike P.

PS This would not be allowed to supply 400 AMPS (on a residential application)


Originally Posted By: Ryan Jackson
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Mike Parks wrote:
Ryan

PS This would not be allowed to supply 400 AMPS (on a residential application)


Thats what I am looking at. In a commercial you can put 400 amps on a 500KCMIL. I don't my book in front of me, but I'm pretty sure 310.15(B)(6) would allow 400 amps on a 350KCMIL in a residence. Looking at the conductors, they look smaller than that...

Also, as far as 400 amp dwelling services go, I inspect them every day in the city I work for. I also ask for load calculations when exception 3 to 230.90 is being used, and I have found that many times a 400 amp service is justified.


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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Ryan


I 'think' that it is a 4 ought alum.

Now look at the utility side.

Mike P.


Originally Posted By: Ryan Jackson
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Mike Parks wrote:
Ryan

I 'think' that it is a 4 ought alum.

Now look at the utility side.

Mike P.


I agree, but the utility side has nothing to do with my job.


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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Ryan Jackson wrote:
What is the overkill?
This is an 1800 sq. ft. home, 2 bedroom, 2 bath with a newly installed A/C system ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif) .

This was (so I'm told) a "simple" upgrade from an old FPE. Overkill


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Originally Posted By: Brian A. Goodman
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Horrible, horrible work. 400 amps on a house that size, and butt-ugly too.


On a side note, remind me never to mention my wife in a post. I'm afraid Jeff P. will come right in behind me and post 3 big pictures of her in something lacy. That guy has pictures of everything. ![icon_mrgreen.gif](upload://tbe1CncrrOs48cXpHvziOT8r0T3.gif)


Originally Posted By: jpope
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icon_cool.gif



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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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90.8(A)


Since I do not know what this means ----- Any thoughts?

Mike P.


Originally Posted By: jpeck
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Mike Parks wrote:
90.8(A)

Since I do not know what this means ----- Any thoughts?

Mike P.


90.8 Wiring Planning.
(A) Future Expansion and Convenience. Plans and specifications that provide ample space in raceways, spare raceways, and additional spaces allow for future increases in the use of electricity. Distribution centers located in readily accessible locations provide convenience and safety of operation.

" Plans and specifications that provide ample space in raceways, spare raceways, and additional spaces

allow for future increases in the use of electricity" That part is self-explanatory when read that way. Provide spare raceways, extra space in raceways, and additional spaces in panelboards and it allows for future increases in use. Makes common sense. Unfortunately, that is a close to including common sense as much of the code gets, and that does not say "shall" be done, just that it 'will' if done.

"Distribution centers located in readily accessible locations

provide convenience and safety of operation." Again, common sense. Make it readily accessible and that provides "convenience and safety of operation".


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Originally Posted By: roconnor
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A 400A residential service would need 400 kcmil Cu or 2 sets of 4/0 Cu … even larger for Al.


My guess would be work without a permit ... and a flag right there. Needs an evaluation, but apparent undersized feeders and utility service drop that wasn't upgraded (maybe cause the utility wasn't notified?) ... plus hack bugs.

Just a guess though ... ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


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