Pay attention - this is to be rewritten

Ladies and gentlemen these are the areas to be gone over and revamped. I just want to post them so you can get your ideas going and can have a little time to get your thoughts together and talk amongst your friends

61-30.402 Continuing Education Requirements for Biennial Renewal.
(1) Prior to the expiration of each biennial licensure period, and as a condition for renewal of the home inspector license, each person licensed pursuant to Chapter 468, Part XV, Florida Statutes, shall complete a minimum of fourteen (14) hours of continuing education which shall include, at a minimum, all of the following subjects as they relate to the practice of home inspection:
(a) A minimum of twelve (12) hours of instruction regarding home inspection services of the components of a home, including the limited visual examination of the following readily accessible installed systems and components of a home for the purposes of providing a written report of the condition of the home:

  1. The structure,
  2. Electrical system,
  3. HVAC system,
  4. Roof covering,
  5. Plumbing system,
  6. Interior components,
  7. Exterior components, and
  8. Site conditions that affect the structure.
    The twelve hours may include department approved continuing education courses approved by the Construction Industry License Board, the Board of Professional Engineering, the Board of Architecture and Interior Design, the Building Code Administrators and Inspectors Board, or the Electrical Contractors’ Licensing Board.
    (f) A minimum of two (2) hours of instruction regarding hurricane mitigation training, which shall include training on completion of the Uniform Mitigation Verification Form and instruction regarding:
  9. Roof deck attachment;
  10. Secondary roof water barrier;
  11. Roof covering, gable end bracing;
  12. Reinforce roof-to-wall connection;
  13. Opening protection;
  14. Exterior doors; or
  15. Other hurricane mitigation methods.
    (2) A licensee who is an instructor may obtain continuing education credits in the amount of the credits allowed for that course or seminar for his/her first presentation of such course or seminar presentation.
    (3) No licensee may claim credit until after the credit has been earned by that licensee.
    (4) Licensees need not comply with continuing education requirements prior to the licensee’s first full renewal cycle.
    Rulemaking Authority, 455.2035, 468.8315, 468.8316, 468.8325 FS. Law Implemented 455.2124, 468.8315, 468.8316 FS. History–New_________.

61-30.812 Standards of Practice, General Limitations and Exclusions.
(1) General limitations for inspections:
(a) Inspections are visual, non-invasive only and are not technically exhaustive.
(b) Inspections are subjective and rely upon the inspector’s opinion, judgment, training, and experience.
(2) Home inspectors are not required to perform any action or make any determination unless specifically stated in these Standards of Practice. Inspectors are not required to:
(a) Determine the condition of systems or components which are not readily accessible;
(b) Offer or give warranties or guarantees of any kind;
© Operate:

  1. Any system or component which is shut down or otherwise inoperable or could cause damage;
  2. Any system or component which does not respond to normal operating controls;
  3. Shut-off valves of any type;
  4. Automatic safety controls, valves or devices of any type;
    (d) Enter:
  5. Any area which will, in the opinion of the inspector, likely be dangerous to the inspector or other persons or damage the property or its systems or components. This situation shall be noted in the home inspection report;
  6. The under-floor crawl space or attics which are not readily accessible. This situation shall be noted in the home inspection report;
    (e) Inspect:
  7. Systems or components which are not installed or readily accessible;
  8. Installed decorative items;
  9. Systems or components located in areas that are not entered in accordance with these Standards of Practice;
  10. Detached structures other than garages and carports;
  11. Common elements or common areas in multi-unit housing, such as condominium properties or cooperative housing;
    (f) Perform any procedure or operation which will, in the opinion of the inspector, likely be dangerous to the inspector or other persons or damage the property or its systems or components. This situation shall be noted in the home inspection report;
    (g) Describe or report on any system or component that is not included in these Standards and was not inspected;
    (h) Move furniture, appliances, lawn and garden equipment, tools, stored items, personal belongings, wall or floor decorations, floor covering, suspended ceilings, clothing, debris, soil, snow, ice or any items or material that blocks view and/or access to areas, components or structures. This situation will be noted in the home inspection report.
    (3) Home Inspectors shall not practice beyond the scope of their license as a home inspector. The following actions are beyond the scope of a Home Inspector License:
    (a) Identifying concealed conditions or latent defects;
    (b) Determining:
  12. The strength, adequacy, effectiveness, or efficiency of any system or component;
  13. The causes of any condition or deficiency;
  14. The methods, materials, or costs of corrections;
  15. Future conditions including, but not limited to, failure of systems and components;
  16. The suitability of the property for any specialized use;
  17. Compliance with regulatory requirements (codes, regulations, laws, ordinances, etc.), manufacturer specifications, installation procedures or instructions;
  18. The market value of the property or its marketability;
  19. The advisability of the purchase of the property;
  20. The presence of potentially hazardous plants or animals including, but not limited to wood destroying organisms or diseases harmful to humans;
  21. The presence of any environmental hazards including, but not limited to fungi, molds, toxins, carcinogens, noise, and contaminants in soil, water, and air;
  22. The effectiveness of any system installed or methods utilized to control or remove suspected hazardous substances;
  23. The operating costs of systems or components;
  24. The acoustical properties of any system or component;
  25. Conditions that might affect the ability to obtain insurance and/or the price of insurance;
  26. The calibration of measuring devices including timers, clocks, thermostats, and gauges;
  27. The integrity of thermal glass seals;
  28. The presence of manufacturers’ defects in any product, material, component, equipment, or system, or information related to recall notices;
  29. Installation conformance to manufacturers’ instructions for any product, component, element, device, or system;
    © Offering to:
  30. Perform any act or service contrary to law;
  31. Perform engineering/architectural services;
  32. Perform work in any trade or any professional service other than home inspection, unless licensed to do so;
    (d) Inspecting:
  33. Underground items including, but not limited to underground storage tanks or other indications of their presence, whether abandoned or active;
  34. Recreational facilities;
    (e) Dismantling any system or component, except as explicitly required by these Standards of Practice;
    (f) Utilizing special instruments, tools, or measuring devices of any kind to measure moisture, humidity, water or air volume, water or air flow, water potability, air quality, temperature, voltage, amperage, electrical grounding, polarity, and continuity, VOC’s, microwaves, electromagnetic fields, and other similar kinds of conditions or activities;
    (g) Operating equipment, appliances, or devices on more than one cycle, zone, or phase or operate any device, appliance, system, or equipment which in the opinion of the inspector may fail during the act of inspection; and
    (h) Providing any information from any source regarding property ownership, property boundaries, liens, outstanding loans, code violations, reports of hazardous materials, manufacturers’ recalls, Consumer Protection Agency bulletins, and other similar kinds of public information.
    Rulemaking Authority 468.8325 FS. Law Implemented 468.8323, 468.832(1)(j) FS. History–New_________.

NAME OF PERSON ORIGINATING PROPOSED RULE: Richard Morrison, Executive Director, Home Inspector Licensing Unit, 1940 North Monroe Street, Tallahassee, Florida 32399, (850)487-1395
NAME OF SUPERVISOR OR PERSON WHO APPROVED THE PROPOSED RULE: Ken Lawson, Secretary, Department of Business and Professional Regulation
DATE PROPOSED RULE APPROVED BY AGENCY HEAD: December 19, 2012
DATE THE NOTICE OF PROPOSED RULE DEVELOPMENT PUBLISHED IN FAW: March 9, 2012

Read them and get ready to rumble…or debate…or act like professionals who really care about our profession…

That is the biggest load of crap I have ever read. :shock:

If national standards, local codes, manufacturer’s instructions, insurance requirements, construction standards or known science cannot guide “the inspector’s opinion, judgment, training, and experience” and ultimately his inspection findings, then what does?

Thank you for sharing Russel!

Russ,

Maybe try running this by the idiots…the standards are simple, to the point, nobody has any problem understanding them.

http://www.btr.state.az.us/regulations/home_inspectors.asp

The reason it was scrapped is because it is,

  1. In direct conflict wiht the Standards as well as established National Standards
  2. In contradiction with existing Florida law
  3. A violation of the Florida Constitution

just for starters.

Every line in that document can be attacked and defeated, and will again.

Wow Dale what a big difference between the two SOP’s. It’s night and day.

Thanks,

Bert

They did move the item about using special tools to the not required section. In my opinion, almost all of the rest of the “Beyond Scope” items also belong there too. That would make a lot more sense.

Guys try and be specific

Apparently we are going to need maybe a couple of strategy sessions before the meeting instead of one. Lets get this right. If there is a name on the conference call that cannot be identified, they will be booted. Sorry we cannot telegraph our passes.

Nathan Thornberry offered his teleconference abilities and so has the distinguished inspector society via John Shishilla.

We have one chance to get this right and the first time to be heard, lets do it right.

We are viewed by others as totally disorganized, unprofessional nd very childish to other professions we may want to work with. Let re-organize, educate ourselves, and portray our profession and those within it as a professional group, seeking to protect the comsumer to the best of our ability and how our desire to surpass expectations can be a viable relationship for those who wish to work with us…

Make sense?

You are all of the above, and you’re demonstrating it here by going off into your little corner by yourselves. Does it not occur to you that this is an effort that should be made by all of the groups in FL through the Council?

How much attention do you think they will pay to one group? Put your egos and pride aside and work together.

What is your suggestion?

Respectfully,
That has been the plan for the last 15 years and it hasn’t worked.
Time for a new plan.

Some members of the council did not want us, so we left. Some of the people on our side think the council is doing more harm than good. You can call me if you want to discuss more. 321-626-8153

Mark you are a well respected and senior inspector we all know that.

Since licensing has been in effect there has been what $50,000- $75,000 spent on a lobbyist who worked for home inspectors and home builders at the same time. What was the ROI on that money?

I read through all of your threads and your a super smart and apparently well connected guy, but it seems you never asked or offered to use that experience and those connections to help NACHI members. I have never saw where you asked for input or even cared about it. So now some progress is being made and all of a sudden you’re interested and concerned. If I am not mistaken you are an original member of the council, if that is the case, how did the present wording slip through the goalie? You have been “working” on this for years and used thousands of dollars to produce nothing are well connected and well experienced and this slipped past you? But then that may be the issue further, maybe nothing slipped past you and you were in favor of the wording at wanted to get it in now so we can “fix” it later?

In either case it was not in the best interest of the profession from those that I have talked to. One thing is certain, not everyone will agree. So unlike the government, and other non productive entities, we realize we cannot make everyone happy and will work on making the majority happy through the small group we have assembled.

So it worries me, that since your super smart, experienced and connected that maybe you wanted this to slip through. If that is the case then I do not find you a conducive, or a beneficial entity to the plight of the home inspector and question your motives. Sorry, but those are just the facts as I see them, without the sugar coating.

So now what? The time for talk is over, and the past leadership absolutely failed to lead, so now get out of the way. We cannot and will not sit idle and watch our profession go down the toilet.

You will try to spin this as division amongst the ranks and I will say it proven method that works. The post may be viewed as harsh, crass or wrong. All I do know is that we almost go railroaded and we don’t have time for he said she said, lets play together.

Mark I have do have to ask as someone who donated time and money as well as helped raise from others, what was done by the council? What was the money for? Everytime I asked I was told to have someone there just in case. Was there even someone there? The old way didnt work. It is time to move on. Most I am speaking with outside the proffession want to see something different from us. I have been told it has been very hard to work with the Home Inspectors.

And, one other thing, this little group, accomplished more and will continue to do so in the future, than a lot of others.

On another note, does anyone have the FABI or ASHI SoP in Word format?
If so, please e mail it to me at ev@magnuminspections.com.
It is appreciated.

(3) Home Inspectors shall not practice beyond the scope of their license as a home inspector. The following actions are beyond the scope of a Home Inspector License:
**(a) Identifying concealed conditions or latent defects;

if this is beyond the scope how will it affect using Infra-red to detect water intrusion!
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The future of florida home inspector client reviews:

Don’t you have something better to do? :roll:

No

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