POLL- Paul Stay In The Electrical Forum

Ok,

Here it is......Paul.....you should not be posting outside of the Electrical Forum.  Let HIM have it guys......shame on him for having opinions...he should only deal in FACTS....

Dang Virginia Sheep Herder !

When Men were Men… and Sheep were Scared.

lolo…Sheep Back Mountain…:slight_smile:

MAN…I am soooo glad I choose to SEE the poll results…lol…now I now how DALE really feels…lol

Ok I just gotta ask “How do you feel a sheep?”

I’m going to meet Mickelson for a beer at the STPC, be back later…:smiley:

But?

[size=6]What Is “Electricity”?
Scientist’s definition of Electricity
Electricity is not Energy
What is electricity, REALLY?!

What is electricity? This question is impossible to answer because the word “Electricity” has several contradictory meanings. These different meanings are incompatible, and the contradictions confuse everyone. If you don’t understand electricity, you’re not alone. Even teachers, engineers, and scientists have a hard time grasping the concept.

Obviously “electricity” cannot be several different things at the same time. Unfortunately we have defined the word Electricity in a crazy way. Because the word “electricity” lacks a distinct meaning, we can never pin down the nature of electricity. In the end we are forced to declare that there’s no such stuff as “electricity” at all! Here’s a quick example to illustrate the problem.Do generators make electricity? To answer this question, consider the household light bulb. In a lamp cord the charges (electrons) sit in one place and wiggle back and forth. That’s AC or alternating current. At the same time, the waves of electromagnetic field move rapidly forward. The wave energy does not wiggle, instead it races along the wires as it flows from the distant generators and into the light bulb. OK, now ask yourself this: is an electric current a flow of “electricity?” If so, then we MUST say that the “electricity” sits inside the wires and vibrates back and forth. It does not flow forward. Next, ask yourself if electricity is a form of energy. If it’s energy, then “the electricity” DOESN’T wiggle back and forth within the wires, instead it’s made of EM fields and it races forward at high speed. But it cannot do both! Which one is “the electricity”, the wiggling electrons, or the high-speed EM field energy? The reference books give conflicting answers, so there is no answer.
If someone asks whether generators make electricity, it exposes a great flaw in the way we talk about “electricity”. If we can repair this flaw, perhaps our explanations will finally make sense.

Below are the most common meanings of the word Electricity. Which one do you think is right? Think about it carefully. If one of these meanings is correct, all the others must be wrong! After all, no “science term” must ever have several conflicting definitions. Unfortunately dictionaries and encyclopedias have all of these contradictions. (Click the links to find out more about each one.)

  1. The scientist’s definition: “Electricity” means only one thing: it’s the electrons and protons, the electric charge. Examples: CURRENT OF ELECTRICITY. QUANTITY OF ELECTRICITY. COULOMBS OF ELECTRICITY. 2. The everyday definition: “Electricity” means only one thing: the electromagnetic field energy sent out by batteries and generators. Examples: PRICE OF ELECTRICITY. KILOWATT-HOURS OF ELECTRICITY. 3. The grade-school definition: “Electricity” means only one thing: it refers to the flowing motion of electric charge. Examples: “CURRENT” ELECTRICITY. AMPERES OF ELECTRICITY. 4. “Electricity” means only one thing: it refers to the amount of imbalance between quantities of electrons and protons. Example: “STATIC” ELECTRICITY. DISCHARGE OF ELECTRICITY. 5. “Electricity” is nothing other than the classes of phenomena involving electric charges. Examples: BIOELECTRICITY, PIEZOELECTRICITY, TRIBOELECTRICITY, THERMOELECTRICITY, ATMOSPHERIC ELECTRICITY …ETC. 6. Other less common definitions: “Electricity” refers to the flowing motion of electrical energy (electric power, Watts of electricity) “Electricity” really means the electric potential or e-field (Volts of electricity) “Electricity” only means the glowing nitrogen/oxygen plasma (sparks of electricity) “Electricity” is nothing but a field of science (Basic Electricity, Advanced Electricity)

If we wish to agree on a single correct definition of “electricity,” which definition should we choose? Well, maybe we don’t need to choose just one. Suppose we ignore all these contradictions and instead pretend that ALL of the above definitions are true. Below is the “clear” and “simple” description of electricity that results:Electricity is a mysterious incomprehensible entity which is invisible AND visible BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. Also, it’s both matter and energy. It’s a type of low-frequency radio wave which is made of protons. It is a mysterious force which looks like blue-white fire, and yet cannot be seen. It moves forward at the speed of light… yet it vibrates in the AC cord without flowing forwards at all. It’s totally weightless, yet it has a small weight. When electricity flows through a light bulb’s filament, it gets changed entirely into light. Yet no electricity is ever used up by the light bulb, and every bit of it flows out of the filament and back down the other wire. College textbooks are full of electricity, yet they have no electric charge! Electricity is a class of phenomena which can be stored in batteries! If you want to measure a quantity of electricity, what units should you use? Why Volts of electricity, of course. And also Coulombs of electricity, Amperes, Watts, and Joules, all at the same time. Yet “electricity” is a class of phenomena; it’s a type of event. Since we can’t have an AMOUNT of an event, we can’t really measure the quantity of electricity at all… right?
Heh heh.
Does my description above sound stupid and impossible? You’re right. It is. The word “electricity” has contradictory meanings, and I’m trying to show what happens when we accept more than one meaning. Electricity is not both slow and fast at the same time. It is not both visible and invisible.

Instead, approximately ten separate things have the name “electricity.” There is no single stuff called “electricity.” ELECTRICITY DOES NOT EXIST. Franklin, Edison, Thompson, and millions of science teachers should’ve had a long talk with Mrs. McCave before they decided to give a variety of independent science concepts just one single name.

Mrs. McCave was invented by Dr. Seuss. She had twenty three sons. She named them all “Dave.”

Whenever we ask “WHAT IS ELECTRICITY,” that’s just like asking Mrs. McCave “WHO IS DAVE?” How can she describe her son? There can be no answer since the question itself is wrong. It’s wrong to ask “who is Dave?” because we are assuming that there is only one Dave, when actually there are many different people. They all just happen to be named Dave. Who is Dave? Mrs. McCave cannot answer us until she first corrects our misunderstanding.

For the same reason, we will never find a simple answer to the question “what is electricity?” because the question itself is wrong. First we must realize that “electricity” does not exist. There is no single thing named “electricity.” We must learn that, while several different things exist in wires, people wrongly all of them by a single name.

So never ask “WHAT IS ELECTRICITY”. Instead, discard the word “electricity” and instead use the correct names for all the separate phenomena. Here are a few of them:

You wouldn’t expect me to vote any other way would you?..:stuck_out_tongue: :stuck_out_tongue:

Anybody who starts a pole should be banned for a month…:stuck_out_tongue:

WTF…lol…Dale…are you sure you have not been drinking BEFORE you actually made that post…What is Electricity to me…the source of my income to FEED my family…thats sums it up for me:)

Robert…I am insulted…no actually…they feel fluffy…but the more you think about it…fluffy is exactly how DALE feels…thehehehe…

EXCELLENT…I need the break…:)…it is like helping a smoker quit…get me away from this board and…I might not come back…lol…

Go ahead CHRIS…BAN ME…I DARE YA…:)…Double Dare Ya !

Oh man is that funny…:smiley:

Actually…truth me told…I found the POLL rather cute myself…I actually came up with the FAT HEAD remark myself…:)…thank you very MUCH :wink:

I’ll be back later Paul, Mickelson is out front tooting the horn…:smiley:

Yep…after 20 years…Electricity has been good to me…:)…

WHAT…he needs you to carry his BAG…well that explains why it took him so long to win a major…you were on his bag !

I am not touching this one…I mean this thread, or the sheep or anyone else for that matter.

Dale,

but after 23 kids…should we even CARE what she has to say…she is obviously easy to take advantage of…:wink:

Much less be able to talk…what on earth was Dr. Seuss thinking…

The question really is, how does Dale feel?:shock:

lol…look I wont hold it against anyone that agree’s I am a fat head…how come no one picks that one…dang it

You can vote for yourself can’t you?

yeah but I dont understand my own posts…thats the one I choose !