QOD for 2/11/04

Originally Posted By: dbush
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Today’s might require some research



Dave Bush


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Originally Posted By: Bob Badger
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IMO only one of the locations requires a circuit that does not leave that space.



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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Bob,


Another of those areas requires two circuits.

Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: Bob Badger
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Yes one of those locations does require two circuits, then they can leave that location and go on to other rooms. icon_wink.gif



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Originally Posted By: jonofrey
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No fair phoning a friend, either! Is viewing results without answering the question, considered asking the audience? icon_lol.gif



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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Interesting question.


Manby of the homes I inspect have cascaded bathroom circuits. So my vote was for the bathroom.


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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Joe F,


The bathroom circuit is the one that can only terminate in no other area.

Are you people reading the same question that I am reading?

They are asking which one DOES NOT require a circuit, correct?

Did I read it wrong?

Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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It can only terminate in a bathroom, not ONE bathroom.


I have a bathroom on the 1st floor which feeds the bathroom on the 2nd floor. Perfectly legal.

They feed no other TYPE of circuit, but can be shared ACROSS bathrooms. I took the question literally.

And, since bedroms suposedly require AFCI protection, I believe they would be the ones requiring a dedcated circuit over the bathroom. Cant frrd anything with a motor with an AFCI...

Sucky question, but not Dave's fault. It's a good question in that we;ll remember what the "correct" answer will be, though this debate proves that we are both knowledgable and sharp.


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Originally Posted By: jmyers
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Joe F,


I did not say "one bathroom", I said in no other area. That meant no other area, other than bathrooms. Sorry, its not just you, I confuse everyone! ![icon_biggrin.gif](upload://iKNGSw3qcRIEmXySa8gItY6Gczg.gif)

Not sure what you meant about feeding any other circuits, because they can feed the lighting as long as it terminates in the bathroom space.

Since I don't want to give it away, I will say no more, I have already said enough.

Joe Myers


Originally Posted By: wwarner
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I agree with Joe F.


My house is the same way plus after recently updating the bathrooms to GFCI, I discovered both outdoor receptacles were on the same circuit.


Bill


Originally Posted By: dbush
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The correct answer is “B”. I don’t have the “Code reference” handy with me, but the others are all required dedicated circuits. A bedroom circuit can easily feed other bedroom or hallway, etc.



Dave Bush


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Originally Posted By: Bob Badger
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Dave please understand I am not trying to give you a hard time, I have made quizzes before and it is not as easy as it seems.


Terminology can be tough, a dedicated circuit to an electrician (at least in this area of the country) is a circuit that supplies one item only.

The two small appliance circuits required in the kitchen can have many outlets and can also go into a pantry, breakfast room, dining room, or similar area of a dwelling unit. 210.52(B)(1)

The required bathroom circuit could feed the receptacles in ten or more bathrooms. 210.11(C)(3)

The bedroom circuit could be on with almost anything.

The laundry circuit is the only one that comes close to being dedicated, but still not quite.

You can have as many receptacles as you like on this circuit as long as they are in the laundry, if you had a two laundries (unlikely) you could feed both from the one required laundry circuit.

I am not saying any of that is a good way to wire homes, the NEC is just the minimum, the least you can do.

Right now I am wiring an office break room with about a 8' counter space, it will have 3 truly dedicated circuits on it. ![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)


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Originally Posted By: jfarsetta
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Bad question.


Not Dave's fault.


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Originally Posted By: jremas
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Sorry, I agree, bad question. Unfortunately when a code question is asked very detailed information is needed to get the correct answer.


Hey, we had be have a problem eventually.


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Originally Posted By: Bob Badger
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jfarsetta wrote:

Not Dave's fault.


I agree 100%, the NEC is tough to make a quiz on as it has many twists.


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Originally Posted By: Mike Parks
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Yes it is.


Bob, I and others are debating this now.

http://www.mikeholt.com/codeforum/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=11;t=002938;p=1#000006

If we can not agree how could a new sparky know what is correct?

Mike P.