Recommending Upgrades

So much to please the agents and grease the hand that feeds. Who cares about the person that actually pays for the report.

IMO, if someone is buying a house to “live” [with their family] in it, the house should be inspected using today’s safety&building practices, not that of 1900 when the house was constructed. And if something is used in a modern dwelling for safety but is missing in the house being inspected, the buyer ought to know about it. They can then decide if it is “safe” enough for them to live in it without those “modern” safety components. Who are you to decide that lack of TP receptacles is not a major safety for the buyer? yes, there are ways around it, plugs could be used, etc… but because we now use TP receptacles, the buyer should know about them if the house has them missing. How far you go with this is completely up to you. Everyone’s different, every area is unique.

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Than perhaps mentioning in an information section or as a note in areas of the report. And leave defects for another section. idk.

IF, you were in Ohio here is what the law says. It may or may not help you.

1, 2, 3 family only

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EXISTING BUILDINGS AND STRUCTURES
113.1 General. Provisions within this section shall control the alteration, repair,
addition and change of occupancy if existing residential buildings.
113.2 Maintenance. Residential buildings, structures and the building equipment
shall be maintained in a safe and sanitary condition and in accordance with the
condition(s) established in current and any previous plan approvals and
certificates of occupancy. Devices or safeguards which are required by this code
shall be maintained in conformance with the code edition under which installed.
The owner or the owner’s designated agent shall be responsible for the
maintenance.
The requirements of this chapter shall not provide the basis for removal or
abrogation of fire protection and safety systems and devices in existing structures
without approval of the residential building official.
113.3 Definitions. The following terms are defined in Chapter 2:
CHANGE OF OCCUPANCY.
HISTORIC BUILDINGS.
113.4 Additions and alterations. Additions or alterations to residential buildings
shall conform with the requirements of the code for new construction and shall be
approved by the residential building official. Additions or alterations shall not be
made to an existing residential building or structure which will cause the existing
residential building or structure to be in violation of any provisions of this code.
Portions of the structure not altered and not affected by the alteration are not
required to comply with the code requirements for a new structure.
Exception: For residential buildings and structures in flood hazard areas, any
additions, alterations or repairs that constitute substantial improvement of the
existing structure, shall comply with the flood design requirements for new
construction and all aspects of the existing structure shall be brought into
compliance with the requirements for new construction for flood design.
113.5 Replacement of systems, components and materials. Replacements of an
existing system (egress, fire protection, mechanical, plumbing, etc.) and materials
or building components not otherwise provided for in this section, shall conform to
that required for new construction to the extent of the alteration. The existing
systems, materials, or components shall not be required to comply with all of the
requirements of this code for new construction except to the extent that they are
affected by the alteration. Replacement of existing systems, materials, or
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components shall not cause them to become unsafe, hazardous, overloaded, or
become less effective than when originally installed, constructed, and/or approved.
113.5.1 Door and window dimensions. Minor reductions in the clear opening
dimensions of replacement doors and windows that result from the use of
different materials shall be allowed, whether or not they are permitted by this
code.
113.6 Repairs to systems, components and materials. Repair of residential
building components, systems and materials or building components not otherwise
provided for in this section, shall not be required to meet the provisions for new
construction, provided such work is done in accordance with the conditions of the
existing approval in the same manner and arrangement as was in the existing
system, is not less safe than when originally installed and is approved.
113.7 Changes in occupancy. A residential building, accessory structure, or space
within a residential building shall not change in its use or purpose unless it is made
to comply with the requirements of this code for such use and approved by the
residential building official. An approval is not required when the code
requirements are the same for both uses.
113.7.1 Use of a residential building for other purposes. No change of
occupancy to uses within the scope of the OBC shall be made to any existing
residential building, space within, or accessory structure unless such building
is made to comply with the requirements of the OBC for such occupancy and
approved by the building official with OBC enforcement authority.
113.7.2 Type A family day care homes. A residential building that is intended
to be used in whole or in part as a licensed type A family day-care home shall
be inspected in accordance with the type A family day-care home checklist
(available from the board of building standards). The residential building
official shall issue a report of the findings to the Ohio department of jobs and
family services.
113.7.3 Type B family day care homes. When a residential building that is
intended to be used in whole or in part as a type B family day-care home and is
required to be licensed, the residential building shall be inspected in
accordance with the type B family day-care home checklist (available from the
board of building standards). The residential building official shall issue a
report of the findings to the Ohio department of jobs and family services.
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113.8 Moved structures. Residential structures moved shall be safe and sanitary
and any repair, alteration, or change in occupancy shall comply with the provisions
of this code for new structures. Field work, building location, foundations and
foundation connections, wind loads, seismic loads, snow loads, and flood loads,
shall comply with the requirements of this code.
The residential building official shall be authorized to inspect, or require
inspection at the expense of the owner, the various components of a relocated
building to verify that they have not sustained damage. Building service equipment,
mechanical, plumbing, and fire protection systems shall be tested to assure that
they are in operating condition. Any repairs or alterations required as a result of
such inspections shall be approved and completed prior to issuance of the
certificate of occupancy.
Buildings previously approved as industrialized units, when moved after first
occupancy are to be evaluated for conformance in accordance with this section by
the residential building official in the jurisdiction where the building is intended to
be relocated.
113.9 Historic buildings. The provisions of this code relating to the construction,
repair, alteration, addition, restoration and movement of residential structures,
and change of occupancy shall not be mandatory for historic buildings where such
residential buildings are judged by the residential building official not to constitute
a distinct life safety hazard.
113.10 Used materials and equipment. The use of used materials which meet the
requirements of this code for new materials is permitted. Used equipment,
appliances, and devices shall not be reused unless approved by the residential
building official.
113.11 Flood hazard areas. Within flood hazard areas established, the residential
building shall be brought into conformance with section 322.
Exception: Historic buildings.

I never much cared what Ohio said personally…I was there to do a job and that is what I did…If I thought it was dangerous I told them so, If I found out later somebody picked up that liability by claiming it safe…fine by me…that didn’t happen very often though…

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Yes, you have to be licensed in Iowa for pest inspections. I held the license until they changed the sales contracts where the seller now pays for the pest inspection. The pest companies use low pricing on the inspections as a loss leader. It was no longer worth my time.

I am all for what licenses once stood for. There is no anger at all. I see them for what they are.
All they mean now is that you can pass a test.

Before I became a home inspector, I have had a Master’s Mechanical, Master’s Plumbing, Journeyman’s Electrical, & Universal Refrigeration license. I never did plumbing or electrical, and never charged an AC. However, I was able to get my required hours after spending a year and a half in the field and then becoming a project manager for a HVAC company. I was just able to find the answers for the test questions from the books allowed. A son of a lady that my wife works with finished his four-year apprenticeship and school to be a lineman. He can perform the work, he made it through school, but he can’t pass the test for his license. He has a learning disability and has anxiety issues when it comes to taking tests. Because of this, he will more than likely never be licensed. Is it fair to him that he put in his time and effort and never will be licensed, yet I was able to obtain multiple licenses just because I am able to pass a test?

Iowa is not a licensed state for home inspectors. The only licenses that I do have for inspecting is a part 107 remote pilot’s license. The test was not written for normal drone use. It was put together to make people feel all warm and fuzzy.

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Please do not interpret that I am saying you can not talk about recommendations that are per tenant observations but not specifically covered in the SOP. I address all kinds of things, not in the SOP. It’s how you address them, probably more than anyone.

These are “safety issues” and all safety issues must be in the report. A loose GFCI is as dangerous as no GFCI. The GFCI works, but it’s install is a significant issue.

Your Clients Expectations: I have addressed this subject many times in the past. You need to determine and address your client’s expectations before, during, and after the inspection. Before you put stuff in the report that is basically a recommendation, it should be what the client expects to take action on. The rest is just conversation.

(iii) State any systems or components so inspected that do not function as
intended, allowing for normal wear and tear, or adversely affect the
habitability of the dwelling;

(iv) State whether the condition reported requires repair or subsequent
> observation, or warrants further investigation by a specialist

These three categories are required reporting in my SOP.
Is it broken?
Is it something that is fine today, but may not work in another season (Testing A/C in the winter)?
Is it something that does not respond to normal operating controls, and is beyond your ability or SOP to venture a guess? Or it’s broken and requires repair before it can be tested further.

All this second guessing about alleged defects, when the component is operating as intended at the time of inspection, it does not fit in any of these categories. Or when you think there is a better way to do something.

Some clients may have physical issues where they need you to inspect with that in mind (expectations). You inspect and report as requested. You should specifically state the condition and the client’s requests. This can go for any client. Just write in down that way.
Yea, canned narratives don’t fit and you have to work on this yourself.

Try fitting your issue into one of the three categories. I f it doesn’t fit, determine if it really belongs in the report, or otherwise addressed to the client.

Great business decision!
Give no consideration as to how someone will interpret your report, and how it affects your business as a whole. Crash your business for the sake of a client that doesn’t even know what you do, or why you do it that way. :+1:

Are you telling me you cannot figure out how to communicate where everyone in the transaction can understand the issue as it pertains to them? “Tact”; the ability to tell someone to go to hell and have them look forward to the trip. You may not like it, but Agents, Contractors, Sellers and your Client might all agree that something should be done.

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In 1961 we couldn’t buy cheap crap from China so it took awhile before gfci devices became affordable. :rofl:

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