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#1

Originally Posted By: jrabanus
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This place was a nightmare. The pictures are a little fuzzy so please bare with me. The first picture show the SEC off the meter going into a main switch, but also there was a another SEC coming off the meter going into a breaker panel with no main switch. (which is the second picture) The second picture shows this breaker panel had EXPOSED WIRING THAT WAS HOT!! Also it had a double tap. Then in a crawlspace they had wiring that was hot just hanging there. Needless to say I told them to get an electrician out there now.







#2

Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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#3

Originally Posted By: bbadger
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What would be the point of referencing a draft copy of a code that is not adopted?



Home Inspector: You have a violation of NFPA 73 section xxx.xx

Electrician: Your nuts there is no such thing as NFPA 73, go pound sand!

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#4

Originally Posted By: bbadger
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It seems obvious to me that there is no gray area here.


Write it up as the electrical system is in poor condition, recommend complete evaluation by an qualified electrical contractor.

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#5

Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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Information Bob, for anyone who wants it and the Publication was released and now available in a 2006 version. Read it and see where there are very similar items we discuss here. I use many of these during seminars for people who inspect these types of occupancies. As a matter of fact previous discussions covered this same item.


You should look at the ROP and ROC for this document and read the proposals.

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#6

Originally Posted By: jbushart
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As a home inspector, Josh has already recognized the unsafe condition, reported it and recommended a professional evaluation to his client. That is 100% of the job. What are you suggesting that his review of this draft document would do for him in this instance?

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#7

Originally Posted By: rbennett
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good morning all



Workmanship and safety - recommend de-energize, lock if possible and tag the disconnect. Do not use until issue is corrected

#8

Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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jbushart:


This message was one of the many unanswered messages that I found today and wanted to add something, no one else answered him.

Not suggesting anything, but some information Jim

Can you explain why the messages with no replies remain here?

http://www.nachi.org/bbsystem/search.php?search_id=unanswered

Please answer a few with a technical reply when you can find the time.

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#9

Originally Posted By: jbushart
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Joe,


Sorry. I didn't catch on right away that this was a political campaign. I'll let you get on with your "See how much you really need me, guys?" strategy. Good luck. ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif) ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

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#10

Originally Posted By: bbadger
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joetedesco wrote:
You should look at the ROP and ROC for this document and read the proposals.


Why should I waste my time, it is not a code and it not likely to be code.

I give it as much chance as Article 80.

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#11

Originally Posted By: jbushart
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joetedesco wrote:
jbushart:

This message was one of the many unanswered messages that I found today and wanted to add something, no one else answered him.

Can you explain why the messages with no replies remain here?



Perhaps...just perhaps...because the man did not ask a question.

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#12

Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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Bob

Are you sending in any proposals to revise the NEC? If you are, and suggest any changes related to the Scope of 73, that will generate some change or even a TIA that will be introduced to the industry for comments.

Jbushart

Does an electric baseboard heater in a new dwelling only one month old unit have to be protected by an AFCI?

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#13

Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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rbennett wrote:
good morning all


Workmanship and safety - recommend de-energize, lock if possible and tag the disconnect. Do not use until issue is corrected
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What type of reporting system are you using? Can comments be revised on any of them?

I ask because capturing the comment that you made here would be useful when the same condition arises again.

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#14

Originally Posted By: rbennett
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InspectExpress


Yes, it is able to take modification of existing comments and the addition of new comments

#15

Originally Posted By: jbushart
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joetedesco wrote:
Does an electric baseboard heater in a new dwelling only one month old unit have to be protected by an AFCI?


Yes, but home inspectors do not limit their recommendations to code. I would recommend it in a dwelling that was built 10 years ago.

What size bolts (diameter) must fasten the anchor straps to a chimney to the framing of a house?

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#16

Originally Posted By: bbadger
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joetedesco wrote:

Bob

Are you sending in any proposals to revise the NEC?


Nope, it's perfect just like it is. ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

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#17

Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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jbushart wrote:
joetedesco wrote:
Does an electric baseboard heater in a new dwelling only one month old unit have to be protected by an AFCI?


Yes, but home inspectors do not limit their recommendations to code. I would recommend it in a dwelling that was built 10 years ago.

What size bolts (diameter) must fasten the anchor straps to a chimney to the framing of a house?


Please see page 11 = 1/2"?

http://www.sanjoseca.gov/emergencyServices/Brochures/guidelines.pdf

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#18

Originally Posted By: joetedesco
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#19

Originally Posted By: jhagarty
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joetedesco wrote:


Does an electric baseboard heater in a new dwelling only one month old unit have to be protected by an AFCI?



jbushart wrote:


Yes...



James:

From what I have that is not correct.

Which code reference do you cite for your response?

Article 210.12 requires AFCI protection for all 15 and 20 amp, 125-volt outlets in bedrooms. A 240-volt heater would not require AFCI protection.

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#20

Originally Posted By: bbadger
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joetedesco wrote:
How about making the VD rules mandatory for the 3 and 5 percent not in an explanatory note?


Not a chance from me, I do not see that as a safety issue, I see it as a design issue.

If I was to put in a proposal it would be to allow an OCPD for the secondaries of a transformer to be located at the transformer even when the transformer is located 30' in the air.

Right now between 404.8 and 240.21(C) the mounting height of transformers is limited to about 8' above the OCPD.

This results in a total allowable height of about 14' above the floor, far to low in the big box stores.

I doubt I will get to it, but who knows?

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