solar A source of electricity

Roy has a taxpayer subsidized solar system that he never would have installed except for the ability to take tax money from his neighbors to pay for it.

Do the math.

According to Governor Andrew Cuomo’s office, New York has agreed to give SolarCity $750 million in tax breaks and cheap power deals in order to build the production facility, as well as develop another R&D facility somewhere in the state.

“The goal is to be competitive with no subsidies at all,”

Then there are companies like BioSolar that aim to take the toxins out of solar by substituting environmentally friendly materials. This is better received.

From Roy’s link. Too funny.

Can’t even make coffee with that old boy.

When have those lofty goals ever been met.

Can you say Ethanol, bio diesel etc etc.?

Strange how Ontario continues on with these systems year after year.
I guess they need a person like Michael to show them how they have no idea of the proper way to do things .
Sad to see how some who has much knowledge attacks many of the leaders who run our countries .
We in Canada and USA are doing a better job then many other countries in the world.
Just think if Michael was to help our leaders we might even do better .
It looks to me like Michael is a very jealous person and has no use for most government leaders .
He continues to show his distain for our system’s constantly .
It would be great if he was to think positive and add information to help our systems instead of complaining non stop.
We can only hope he changes in the future .

I agree.

It is crazy to think you have that many taxpayers willing to finance your system.

It’s for the children or in your case the old man.:roll::roll:

More like Lobbyists lining pockets and brain washing the taxpayer that its good for us.

I agree Roy, but we need to look at the bigger picture and do better and we can if we decide to lead instead of being bought.

Better job at what?

Fleecing the taxpayer?

Thanks for the insult(the old man. )
We in Canada are doing great, for you to show your jealousy is sad why not help and stop complaining about others all the time .
You know it does no good .
We are a happy country .
Calling our tax payer crazy not a nice thing to do.

Roy, you are old.

Any insult is your perception.

I hope to be as old as you some day. :wink:

You receive a subsidy for your sloar system.

Its a fact.

The money came from your neighbors whether they liked it or not.

I have a solar system just like many others do it is obviously working out well for Ontario as they have continued today doing the](
for another period of time .
I have lived in Ontario all my life and you think you know more about our Province .
Strange how a person who is a smart as you are spending so much time on a Home Inspector chat line instead of helping Your country to do things.
I help our town and my neighbours constantly and sure enjoy the self satisfaction I get for doing it .


I live by a set of principles Roy.

Screwing my neighbor is not one of them.

To insinuate I and others are screwing our neighbour shows just what a miserable person you are .
To insinuate you know more about what our Ontario Government does shows you have a closed mind.
It shows what your principles are attack Governments attack many members that do not follow your ideas.
belittle others constantly
It looks to me like you lead an extremely sad life .

It shows no such thing.

It does show I understand where the subsidies come from.

I am sorry you can’t see that.

My life is going well BTW.

Thanks for your concern.

Dear Mr. Larson;
Mike, When you use your gasoline, natural gas, or coal to travel, stay warm or light up your life you are in fact using solar energy that was captured by organisms that evolved the ability to capture light from the sun. We can also assume that the earth was spinning on its axis same as now, with approximately 50% access to light and the same amount of time in darkness, but even so microscopic self replicating automatons were able to generate enough surplus of energy to sustain their existence, but also to support a hugely diverse population of parasitic organisms that bypassed the ability to harvest their own solar energy, in favor of feeding on the hardworking organisms that did so; Which proves two things,

One, that not only is there is more than enough solar energy bombarding our planet to do pretty much whatever we can dream of doing. The fact that it is possible has already been established.

And two, that socialism, as in those what don’t have taking from them what has, is in fact the natural order of things, having been established about four and a half billion years ago, and is still going strong today.


Your Canadian Buddy
Erik S

All I can say DUH.

You will never understand. You can’t.

For all your prose you have said nothing useful.

There are real energy solutions.

Current Solar tech is not one of them.

Let me know when they can survive without subsidies.

About what I expected:mrgreen:

What else can one say when you addressed nothing?

You set up a straw man to knock down and expect me to be impressed?

Wake up.

There is a reason every roof doesn’t have solar cells and its not government policies.

**Hawaii Hopes Storage Will Enable A ‘Multi-Directional’ Grid For Solar **
in News Departments]( > New & Noteworthy
by Michael Puttre](http://javascript<b></b>;self.close():wink: on Tuesday 30 September 2014

Hawaiian Electric Co. (HECO) has seen continuing growth in variable renewable energy from large-scale wind and solar facilities as well as distributed generation (DG) sources.

With rooftop solar now in use by more than 11% of its customers, HECO officials say the evolution of the energy market and the penetration of PV is moving the utilities toward a more multi-directional grid with increasing amounts of DG sources. Increasingly, grid-connected large-scale energy storage is seen as a key to managing]( this development.

HECO has narrowed]( the search for companies to provide up to 200 MW of energy storage for Oahu. More than 60 responses were received by the July deadline, responding to an April 2014 request for proposals. Three finalists have been selected, all of which have proposed battery-based solutions.

HECO is a composite of three utilities each serving different islands. Each island is a stand-alone, independent grid without the ability to import or export power as most mainland utilities have. Because of the small size and stand-alone nature of each grid, the impact on reliability when a problem occurs is potentially greater than in other places that are part of a much larger grid.

When output drops suddenly - due to weather changes or other causes - HECO says energy storage can help maintain reliable service and avoid customer outages. Large, utility-scale batteries will maintain power supply to customers as the utility brings fast-starting generators online and activates measures such as voluntary demand response by customers.

HECO has produced power supply improvement plans]( for each of its component utilities that are now under review by the Hawaii Public Utilities Commission (PUC). Under the plans, HECO estimates it can achieve a consolidated renewable portfolio standard of 67% by 2030, which is significantly in excess of the 40% required in statute.

“In addition to other renewable energy sources, we will achieve this by adding significant utility-scale solar generation, plus nearly tripling the amount of distributed solar power on our systems,” says Peter Rosegg, senior spokesperson at HECO. “This can be facilitated by replacing existing steam generators with faster-starting, quicker-ramping generation to provide the backup needed.”

Citing statistics from the Solar Electric Power Association (SEPA), Rosegg argues that HECO has been very supportive of PV, which he says remains a key part of meeting the utility’s clean energy goals. All three utilities under the HECO banner rank in SEPA’s top 10 for newly installed PV on a watts per customer basis. Hawaii has installed 9% of the nation’s total PV despite having less than 1% of the country’s utility customers.

“The high adoption rate of PV in Hawaii is understandable, given generous state and federal tax credits and high electricity prices here - prices that have been driven up by dramatically higher oil prices in recent years,” Rosegg says.

Prices for low-sulfur fuel oil in Hawaii shot up in 2011 after the tsunami and earthquake in Japan. The subsequent shutdown of nuclear plants and replacement in large part by plants running on low-sulfur fuel oil has caused prices in the Asia-Pacific market to skyrocket. HECO says renewable generation sources remain a centerpiece of its response to rising fossil fuel prices. In total, renewable energy has met more than 18% of the energy needs of HECO’s customers in 2013.

Because Hawaii’s economy has little manufacturing but depends on tourism, it has long had a late afternoon/early evening daily demand peak. According to Rosegg, what has changed is that the mid-day demand for electricity has dropped considerably as the amount of PV has increased. “This creates both opportunities for use of excess solar power generated during that time, such as electric vehicle charging, and operational challenges that we are working to address,” he says.

The challenges of maintaining reliability during such situations are compounded by the fact much of the rooftop solar installed base is unmonitored and lacks grid- and self-protection features. With solar generation at its height from mid-day to early afternoon, having a large amount of unmonitored and uncontrollable rooftop solar - on Oahu, the capacity of installed rooftop solar exceeds the capacity of the largest power plant on the island - means it’s much more difficult to maintain reliability when a system disturbance, such as the loss of a large generator or major transmission line, occurs.

HECO’s policies to address what it says is the strain on the individual circuits from PV penetration is where it generates the most friction with solar installers. Critics of HECO’s proposed package]( of power supply improvements in the solar sector protested the release of those plans, saying the measures would inevitably lead to the end of net-metering incentives and perhaps a significant number of installers would find themselves out of work.

Statements opposed to HECO’s solar proposals have been flowing into the PUC during its public comment period. Rosegg counters that the unprecedented amount of variable rooftop solar on the island’s small electric grids there are increasing challenges to maintaining reliable service for all customers. The ultimate concern is a growing risk of outages.

“There are both circuit- and system-level issues,” Rosegg says. “On a circuit level, we are concerned with safety and reliability issues - a growing number of circuits have rooftop solar with capacities exceeding 120 percent of daytime minimum load. From a system perspective, mid-day use of utility-provided electricity is now, at times, below the overnight lows of recent years.”

Rosegg says HECO engineers and grid planners are working with inverter manufacturers to evaluate the capabilities of various models and test new settings that can improve how PV systems interact with the grid during changing conditions on the grid. In addition, the utility is seeking to expand solar monitoring capabilities on neighborhood circuits to determine precisely how varying levels of solar affect system reliability and safety.

“We are also implementing a smart grid program that is complemented by a distribution circuit monitoring program to provide us with a better ability to measure at the neighborhood circuit level actual conditions and the impact of distributed generation - such as PV - on those circuits,” Rosegg says.

Perhaps most importantly, HECO is hoping its program to incorporate large-scale energy storage systems into the grid to store excess energy from renewables will provide a lasting solution to the problem of daytime overproduction and nighttime peak loads.

“Energy storage is one key to integrating higher levels of renewable energy from variable sources like solar and wind,” says Colton Ching, HECO’s vice president for energy delivery. “It plays a significant role in the Oahu Power Supply Improvement Plan recently submitted to our Public Utilities Commission.”

In addition to meeting electricity load demands, HECO says energy storage can provide auxiliary services essential to grid operation, including sub-second frequency response to keep power quality at 60-hertz and minute-to-minute load following adjustments, as demand for electricity fluctuates throughout the day.

Ching says the utility hopes to sign contracts with all three of the finalists proposing battery-based storage systems. Projects must be reviewed and approved by the PUC, with input from the Hawaii Consumer Advocate. The goal is to file energy storage agreements with the PUC for review by early 2015 with systems in service early in 2017.

For more information on how solar, wind, storage and conventional generation combine to produce effective hybrid energy grids, visit the Hybrid Energy Innovations event website here](

Looks like no one wants coal any more!!!
** Coal the dirty fuel
Oct. 1, 2014 6:03 p.m. ET
The Asian owners of a billion-dollar Canadian coal mine are in talks to sell a majority stake of the mine for $2, underscoring the impact of slumping coal prices world-wide.

The coal market has been hit by oversupply and the Chinese steel market has cooled. Pictured, a plant in China.Reuters
Hong Kong-listedUp Energy Development Group]( said Tuesday it has signed a memorandum of understanding to buy Grande Cache Coal by paying $1 each to its two current joint owners. Japanese trading houseMarubeni](]( Hong Kong-listed coal companyWinsway Enterprises Holdings](]( the Calgary-based coal miner in 2012 for 1 billion Canadian dollars (US$900 million).
The two companies viewed the mine, which produces metallurgical coal that is used to make steel, as a way to profit on rising demand from Chinese steelmakers. Metallurgical coal prices had soared, peaking at over $300 a ton in 2011, prompting a flurry of mergers and acquisitions, including the $5 billion purchase of Macarthur Coal Ltd. in Australia by St. Louis-basedPeabody Energy](](
Since that time, the price of metallurgical coal has fallen by more than 60% to about $120 a ton, triggering layoffs, shutdowns and restructuring in the coal sector as companies close or sell off mines, particularly high-cost mines.
Grande Cache’s remote location and high labor and energy expenses, contributed to higher costs. In 2012, it cost more than $150 to produce a ton of metallurgical coal at Grande Cache—more than twice the cost of rival mines in Australia, but still profitable when coal was selling for twice that amount.
Mining companies and investors expected prices would remain relatively high due to demand in China and the relatively scarce nature of metallurgical coal. Metallurgical coal has fewer impurities than the thermal coal used as fuel in power plants.
Now, though, the coal market has been hit by oversupply and the Chinese steel market has cooled. As of August, Chinese steel consumption had fallen 0.3% to 500 million tons, the first such decline since 2000. Grand Cache Chief Executive C. Max Wang said the operation currently isn’t profitable given the fall in the price of coal, but he expressed confidence the change in ownership wouldn’t affect the company’s mining operations in terms of production or employment. “The new shareholder is prepared to support all the operations and the future mine development,” he said.
Winsway and Marubeni confirmed, in statements and regulatory filings, that they were in talks with Up Energy to sell a majority of the mine. According to the documents, Winsway would retain a 17% stake in the mine and both Windsway and Marubeni would have the option to buy back stakes of about 15% each.
In a filing, Winsway said that it wants to reduce its dependence on coal by diversifying into other bulk commodities. A Marubeni spokesman said the company gradually wrote down the assets in the past two years, therefore the possible sale won’t affect its profit outlook for this financial year ending in March 2015. Marubeni said in August it expects ¥220 billion ($2 billion) net profit for this fiscal year, up 4.3% on year.
Mr. Wang said he didn’t expect Marubeni to pull out of Grand Cache after just three years. “It is a kind of surprise that Marubeni made that decision, usually if you look at their global investments they hang onto assets for a long time,” he said.
As prices have fallen, other miners are trying to get out of the met coal business.
In July, Russia’s OAO Severstal sold U.S. coal miner PBS Coals Ltd. for $60 million in cash, after buying it for $1.3 billion in 2008. Cleveland-basedCliffs Natural Resources](]( hired Deutsche Bank to sell its coal assets in West Virginia and Alabama.
U.S.-based producersAlpha Natural Resources](,ANR-8.06%]( Coal](]( Peabody have all scaled back met coal production. Peabody said last month that it and other coal companies globally had announced supply reductions of 25 million to 30 million tons, representing nearly 10% of all metallurgical seaborne coal.
Last month, London-listed mining giantAnglo American](]( said that it will suspend operations at its Peace River Coal operations in British Columbia, taking more than 1.5 million tons of annual production of metallurgical coal out of the market. Anglo CEO Mark Cutifani told the Australian media that current prices could see a met coal mine mothballed every two or three weeks.
Some analysts say all the cutbacks, as well as demand from other markets, could boost coal prices.
“In seaborne coal markets, India could make up for China’s slowdown if they build out their infrastructure,” said Kris Inton of Morningstar Inc.
—Chester Dawson and Mari Iwata contributed to this article.
Write toAlistair MacDonald atalistair.macdonald@wsj.comand John W. Miller