Subpanel feeding off meter

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So the main house had the service panel?


There were two meters (one at the guest house and one at the main house)?


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other problems though.



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This makes me think that the guest house may actually be fed from the service panel.


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Terrible workmanship to say the least.


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Originally Posted By: mcameron
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Well, I do not think so. The conduit that you see to the right of the service panel for the main house is going into the house. The meter box that feeds the guest house has its own conduit leading under the ground to the guest house. And yes, this whole house was a mess. Regardless, do you think the guest house subpanel is substandard the way it is configured? By the way thanks for your responses and help.


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As I said, if the second panel is not fed from the service panel, it is another service panel, not a sub panel.


Substandard? Only the workmanship. The panel and its components look fine.


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Originally Posted By: mcameron
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I am sorry, I missed your response explaining that. On the panel in the guest house, you are saying that it is a service panel, even though it is located in the kitchen?[/quote]


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mcameron wrote:
I am sorry, I missed your response explaining that. On the panel in the guest house, you are saying that it is a service panel, even though it is located in the kitchen?


Yes. It's location is irrelevant, its configuration and function is what makes it a service panel.


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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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The 60A breaker is the feed into that panel? If so that is your “main” but the problem this is not listed as service equipment and I bet it is not rated to clear a fault with the available fault current you have on a service. If this is metal conduit he also needs bonding bushings … and we can go on.


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Thanks.


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Greg Fretwell wrote:
I bet it is not rated to clear a fault with the available fault current you have on a service.


Could you explain this Greg? You lost me.

Are you assuming that these panels are not rated for service equipment or do you see something that I missed?

Both of these panel could certainly use some help.


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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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A breaker that is listed as service equipment is usually the larger size that fits in a dedicated slot or takes up at least 4 breaker slots.


These have a current interrupting rating higher than the normal branch breaker. If it is too low the breaker may arc and weld itself closed.


A service conductor has no practical overcurrent device on it and the fault current is really only limited by the size of the service conductor. You can wait for the primary fuse to blow on the transformer but that may never happen.


Did he at least have clips on the breaker to keep it from coming out?


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Greg Fretwell wrote:
Did he at least have clips on the breaker to keep it from coming out?


Good point. It's hard to tell.


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