Thanksgiving was originally a celebration of capitalism after socialism nearly killed all the Pilgrims

When the pilgrims first came to America, they were very committed to each other, collective farming, communal sharing, and social altruism. Their plan was to each work as much as they could, then split everything amongst themselves. You know, how did that idiot Karl Marx put it? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” In other words, socialism.

Bad plan. Quickly, the hyper-productive felt it wasn’t fair that they were doing the bulk of the work while the lazy worked very little knowing that their families would still get the same amount of the production as everyone else.

Governor William Bradly explained the problem in his journal:

The less industrious members of the colony came late to their work in the fields and were slow and easy in their labors. Knowing that they and their families were to receive an equal share of whatever the group produced, they saw little reason to be more diligent in their efforts.

After two years of socialism, the colonists were literally starving to death. More than half of them died. The same thing happened to my ancestors in Russia when the USSR nationalized all the farms including one owned by my great grandparents. Once the profit margin was taken from the farmers, production fell and millions of Russians starved to death. Millions.

Back to the colonies: Governor Bradford, realizing that if the Pilgrims suffered another year of socialism they would all starve, wisely reversed everything. He divided up the fields into plots and told the colonists that they were on their own. Each family could keep and eat all that they could grow and he would not require any for redistribution. He explained:

“And so, I assigned to every family a parcel of land, according to the proportion of their number for that end . . .This had a very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corn was planted then otherwise would have been by any means the Governor or any other could use, and saved him a great deal of trouble, and gave far better content. The women now went willingly into the field and took their little ones with them to set corn, which before would allege weakness, and inability; whom to have compelled would have been thought great tyranny and oppression.”

It worked. More from Governor Bradford after several years of pure capitalism:

“By this time harvest was come, and instead of famine, now God gave them plenty, and the face of things was changed, to the rejoicing of the hearts of many, for which they blessed God. And the effect of their planting was well seen, for all had, one way or other, pretty well to bring the year about, and some of the abler sort and more industrious had to spare, and sell to others, so as any general want or famine hath not been amongst them since to this day.”

The new capitalist system generated so much abundance that the colonists traded amongst each other and voluntarily cared for those in the community who honestly couldn’t work. As their new-found capitalism produced more than the Pilgrims could use, they began trading with the Native Americans and eventually celebrated the abundance together creating an American holiday that we celebrate to this day.

So let us be thankful that we live in country where most of us realize that evil ideas such as central planning, socialism, and forced redistribution of wealth (such as taxing unrealized gains) leads to mass death. And let us also be thankful that long ago, the Pilgrims figured this out and started a tradition of celebrating the miracle we know as capitalism.

Happy Thanksgiving.

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I’m quite familiar with this particular issue with the original Pilgrim Colony. There is more. Some families still refused to do more enough work, and in fact did very little expecting the colony to provide. There was wailing and gnashing of teeth, no different than today. They were being abused and the rest of the colony was cruel. Human nature never seems to change.

One thing rarely mentioned was that the Indians, who essentially were socialists, were the majority at the first Thanksgiving. Not only did capitalism provide for the colonists, it provided a bounty for the local socialists. The two societies were let run without the iron hand of the king, and history tells us which one works and which doesn’t.

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Wrong name. Should be; Governor William Bradford; journal dates 1630 to 1651; location Plymouth Colony; Journal is now preserved as, “History of Plymouth Plantation”

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Also, the shared feast (called Harvest Festival) at the time, did not originate due to the events described. It was held prior, even though harvests were meek. The first Harvest Festival consisted mostly of wild game.

For which you have provided no source.

Changed diary to journal, thanks.

Thanksgiving has an interesting history. Although there was a thanksgiving feast between the pilgrims and native americans, it wasnt an annual holiday for almost 250 years later.

Although there were individual days of “thanksgiving” after miltary defeats or harvests, and presidents since George Washington announced days of “thanksgiving”, it wasnt
actually instituted as a national holiday until Abe Lincoln recognized it as one in 1863, during the civil war. And even then, it was celebrated by individual states’ rights until it was fully instituted again by JFK.

President Lincoln proclaims official Thanksgiving holiday | October 3, 1863 | HISTORY

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This has to be a joke, lol. Native Americans were not starving and definitely were not reliant on the pilgrim’s hard work to survive. The Native American’s generous help given to the newcomers was the biggest reason the colonies survived at all.

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Elon and Rand :wink:

I never said they were. They also were able to enjoy the bounty. While much of the first feasts were game, often brought by these same Indians, all the grains and breads and fruits from the farm were bonus calories. Massasoit may have held off sending the braves out for a day because they were all sated, so the real beneficiaries were the local game.

You must be the joke. Poor comprehension skills!

It does not say Native Americans were starving! A “bounty” is an excess, nothing about them relying on the pilgrims.

Learn how to read.

The natives also taught the pilgrims how to farm here.

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Happy thanks giving!

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The native Americans helped the colonists plant and harvest the indigenous plants (corn) is a far cry from teaching them to farm here. Settlers brought their own seeds and new how to farm. These plants included wheat, rye, barley, cherries, peaches, apples, and potatoes . None of which are native to North America.

So, NO-the natives did not teach the pilgrims how to farm.

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I didn’t say teach them how to farm, I said “how to farm here.”

Do some research Bob!

Before learning the best crops to grow in their new home, the Pilgrims would have probably tried (and failed) to grow rye, barley and wheat and a variety of English garden vegetables, according to Soil scientist Tom Sauer, who is with the USDA’s Agricultural Research Service.

Taught - past tense for teach. Are you just learning this language?

If you have a map and know how to read it there is very little difference between the dirt and weather in New England and Europe.

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You should write a history book to correct all the wrong ones.

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You should READ a history book instead of just looking at the pictures!

I agree. But the Governor’s journal explains that the problem wasn’t knowing how to farm. They were almost all farmers. The problem was socialism.

The less industrious members of the colony came late to their work in the fields and were slow and easy in their labors. Knowing that they and their families were to receive an equal share of whatever the group produced, they saw little reason to be more diligent in their efforts.