# The perfect panel! **URL:** \ **Category:** Electrical Inspections\ **Created:** [June 10, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080 "2010-06-10T01:08:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![wdecker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/wdecker/32/174659_2.png) [@wdecker](https://forum.nachi.org/u/wdecker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 1:08am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/1 "2010-06-10T01:08:27Z")
I did a condo inspection, today. Older (50+ years old) commercial warehouse converted to condos about 10 years ago. It was, by far, the cleanest condo I have ever seen. The only defects could find was that the furnace filter was dirty (very dirty) and one bathtub spigot was not properl;y installed and sealed against water entering the tile. But the biggest surprise was the pane. It was absolutely PERFECT! Must have been done by some really anally retentive apprentice who was trying to such up to his foreman. Gotta love it. I even commented to the client (joking) that he had just wasted $300. :mrgreen: He still paid me, though :twisted: Enjoy ![P6080007.jpg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/3X/6/9/699aab522ce3ea0d634fac12a7e84cd4f450a838.jpeg) ![P6080001.jpg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/3X/2/e/2ea0e419b7b1f8e78449cb26c3b703a098a4fc86.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![belliott](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/belliott/32/57038_2.png) [@belliott](https://forum.nachi.org/u/belliott)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/2 "2010-06-10T01:23:36Z")
Must have been a local 134 job. Just to nit pick ,I like to see a main breaker on the sub panel anyway.(5 throws or not) I notice the wall appears dry in the photo ,so just asking if you checked to see if the grout was sealed ? šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![wdecker](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/wdecker/32/174659_2.png) [@wdecker](https://forum.nachi.org/u/wdecker)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 2:06am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/3 "2010-06-10T02:06:34Z")
For a condo, it would not be a main, it would be a subsidiary disconnect. The main was at the meter box, in the hallway electrical room. 6 throw rule, and therefore not required, but nice to have, I agree. And the grout was sealed. Finally, a builder who gets it. Go figure šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![belliott](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/belliott/32/57038_2.png) [@belliott](https://forum.nachi.org/u/belliott)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 2:10am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/4 "2010-06-10T02:10:36Z")
> [@wdecker](#): > > For a condo, it would not be a main, it would be a subsidiary disconnect. The main was at the meter box, in the hallway electrical room. 6 throw rule, and therefore not required, but nice to have, I agree. > > And the grout was sealed. Finally, a builder who gets it. > > Go figure šŸ˜‰ I still call it a main disconnect for the remote distribution panel.:)(not sure I can even pronounce subsidiary. Glad to see you are still kicking ,as a few Inspectors have wondered where you went. ---
**Author:** ![dandersen](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dandersen/32/59398_2.png) [@dandersen](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dandersen)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 2:17am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/5 "2010-06-10T02:17:26Z")
Itā€™s even red, white and blue! šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/6 "2010-06-10T02:57:33Z")
> [@belliott](#): > > Just to nit pick ,I like to see a main breaker on the sub panel anyway. Why? ---
**Author:** ![ccurrins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/ccurrins/32/225758_2.png) [@ccurrins](https://forum.nachi.org/u/ccurrins)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/7 "2010-06-10T03:01:47Z")
> [@wdecker](#): > > For a condo,\*\* it would not be a main\*\*, it would be a subsidiary disconnect. **The main was at the meter box** , in the hallway electrical room. 6 throw rule, and therefore not required, but nice to have, I agree. > > And the grout was sealed. Finally, a builder who gets it. > > Go figure šŸ˜‰ [$150.00 mistake - Interior Inspections - InterNACHIĀ®ļø Forum](http://www.nachi.org/forum/f18/150-00-mistake-51229/index6.html#post660354) šŸ™‚ šŸ˜› ---
**Author:** ![bkelly2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/bkelly2/32/58257_2.png) [@bkelly2](https://forum.nachi.org/u/bkelly2)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 3:48am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/8 "2010-06-10T03:48:53Z")
> [@jpope](#): > > Why? Donā€™t do it Jeff, he probably wants to see a GFCI outlet there tooā€¦šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 4:05am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/9 "2010-06-10T04:05:21Z")
I think the ā€œmainā€ should be a gfi breaker. That would just about cover it all, wouldnā€™t it? ---
**Author:** ![belliott](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/belliott/32/57038_2.png) [@belliott](https://forum.nachi.org/u/belliott)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 4:23am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/10 "2010-06-10T04:23:51Z")
> [@jpope](#): > > Why? Just curious,but when you bought your car ā€œJeffā€, did you tell them to take out the keyed ignition? Someone said you like to open the hood and pull the ignition wires one at a time, instead.šŸ™‚ (_insider joke_) Besides ā€œMike Merinoā€ said so.šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![rmeier2](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/rmeier2/32/59909_2.png) [@rmeier2](https://forum.nachi.org/u/rmeier2)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 8:58am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/11 "2010-06-10T08:58:54Z")
> [@belliott](#): > > Just to nit pick ,I like to see a main breaker on the sub panel anyway.(5 throws or not) > šŸ™‚ Bob, Iā€™m assuming that ā€œ_like to seeā€¦_.ā€ and \*required \*are, in your opinion, two different things? You wouldnā€™t include ā€œlike to seeā€¦ā€ in your report would you? ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2010, 3:18pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/12 "2010-06-10T15:18:34Z")
Iā€™m not sure where youā€™re going with that Bob, but there is no reason to add an additional shut-off in that panel. ---
**Author:** ![belliott](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/belliott/32/57038_2.png) [@belliott](https://forum.nachi.org/u/belliott)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 12:29am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/13 "2010-06-11T00:29:08Z")
> [@Robert\_Meier](#): > > Bob, Iā€™m assuming that ā€œ_like to seeā€¦_.ā€ and \*required \*are, in your opinion, two different things? You wouldnā€™t include ā€œlike to seeā€¦ā€ in your report would you? Oh sorry , I did not realize this was a report.](_,)](_,)](\*,) ---
**Author:** ![belliott](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/belliott/32/57038_2.png) [@belliott](https://forum.nachi.org/u/belliott)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 12:30am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/14 "2010-06-11T00:30:50Z")
> [@jpope](#): > > Iā€™m not sure where youā€™re going with that Bob, but there is no reason to add an additional shut-off in that panel. Never mind ,as you obviously forgot the great sub panel debate this winter. ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/15 "2010-06-11T16:49:30Z")
Show me the thread. If was actually a ā€œgreat debate,ā€ I would probably remember. If it was more of _ā€œI think itā€™s safer and I donā€™t care about the code,ā€_ then it wasnā€™t a debate. ---
**Author:** ![belliott](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/belliott/32/57038_2.png) [@belliott](https://forum.nachi.org/u/belliott)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 4:54pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/16 "2010-06-11T16:54:02Z")
The argument was that not everything is code. Post was from Mike Merino. Must admit I am tired of code as defense argument. ---
**Author:** ![pabernathy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/pabernathy/32/178230_2.png) [@pabernathy](https://forum.nachi.org/u/pabernathy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:10pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/17 "2010-06-11T17:10:50Z")
problem is people dont understand that while the code should not be quotedā€¦it should be understood in order to explain the minimum safety standards and to support recommendations you may have on addition enhancements. Are they simply to believe you??? or can you back it up with why the codes have changed type of support. Never quote codeā€¦but understand that while codes have changed over the years their is a direct relationship to safety being figured in here. I ofcourse would like everyone to learn codes betterā€¦not to quote them but to have a professional conversation about the migration of codes as they pertain to safety issues with your clientsā€¦if not for anything else. Too many people see someone saying CODE and they think " ok, here he goes againā€¦quoting code"ā€¦but just maybeā€¦just maybe we are showing a client WHY GFCIā€™s are required today and were not back in say 1962ā€¦Mr. Client I am recommending them because as you can see with the rapid changes in the code that even as a minimum safety standard they are required todayā€¦dont you want that added protection that is afforded newer homes today??? Yeahā€¦I aint gonna quote codeā€¦but sure is nice to have a document that is supported world wide, ratified every few years and gives me a great reference document to convince my client why it is important when neededā€¦not just to sayā€¦TRUST MEā€¦I know whats best for youā€¦honestlyā€¦ The Code debate versus safety is pointlessā€¦they BOTH are to safeguard the property and my clientā€¦let them work together if nothing more than for a needed reference for that stubborn clientā€¦šŸ˜‰ ---
**Author:** ![jwicklander](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jwicklander/32/57038_2.png) [@jwicklander](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jwicklander)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:19pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/18 "2010-06-11T17:19:41Z")
ā€˜Debateā€™]([http://www.nachi.org/forum/f13/no-main-disconnect-40939/](http://www.nachi.org/forum/f13/no-main-disconnect-40939/)) Jeff ---
**Author:** ![pabernathy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/pabernathy/32/178230_2.png) [@pabernathy](https://forum.nachi.org/u/pabernathy)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/19 "2010-06-11T17:36:42Z")
lolā€¦so I clicked the link and went and added my VERBIAGE to the debateā€¦lolā€¦not that I read any debate but alasā€¦everyone knows my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2010, 8:42pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/the-perfect-panel/50080/20 "2010-06-11T20:42:22Z")
That wasnā€™t much of a debate in my book. That was inspectors trying to justify an unwarranted recommendation. > [@No Main Disconnect](https://forum.nachi.org/t/no-main-disconnect/39859/33): > > We do not serve our clients best interest by inferring that a system, component or structure is unsafe when there is no factual information that will support our position.