# This can't be good **URL:** \ **Category:** Electrical Inspections\ **Created:** [June 26, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121 "2012-06-26T04:25:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dredding](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dredding/32/1515_2.png) [@dredding](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dredding)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/1 "2012-06-26T04:25:17Z")
Bare copper SEC’s :shock: So close to the dead front, glad it did not make contact. I left the sucker sitting on the nearby trash can and figured I’d not push my luck. Do you all use electrician gloves when removing the dead front? I’m gonna start. ![IMG_1100.jpg](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/3X/b/1/b125e7dee9fff52aa900e37e63fa3b60dd53bb9d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:52am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/2 "2012-06-26T11:52:22Z")
Did you measure how close it was as a mental note to what is done on occasion? ---
**Author:** ![jjonas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jjonas/32/301755_2.png) [@jjonas](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jjonas)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 12:54pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/3 "2012-06-26T12:54:53Z")
> [@dredding](#): > > Bare copper SEC’s :shock: So close to the dead front, glad it did not make contact. I left the sucker sitting on the nearby trash can and figured I’d not push my luck. Do you all use electrician gloves when removing the dead front? I’m gonna start. Very bad idea. What happens when someone comes along that has no clue about the hazard, and makes an attempt to re-install it??? Are you responsible? I suggest you find a way to rectify the problem before someone gets fatally injured! ---
**Author:** ![rcooke](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/rcooke/32/57038_2.png) [@rcooke](https://forum.nachi.org/u/rcooke)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 1:07pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/4 "2012-06-26T13:07:20Z")
> [@dredding](#): > > Bare copper SEC’s :shock: So close to the dead front, glad it did not make contact. I left the sucker sitting on the nearby trash can and figured I’d not push my luck. Do you all use electrician gloves when removing the dead front? I’m gonna start. . This to me looks like it was manufactured this way . I wonder is some other guard missing. I think I would write this up as needing immediate examination/repair by a qualified Person . ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:00pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/5 "2012-06-26T14:00:48Z")
> [@rcooke](#): > > This to me looks like it was manufactured this way . You are correct Roy, this Square D model was manufactured like this. As I mentioned in [another thread](http://www.nachi.org/forum/f19/safe-open-zinsco-panel-72796/index3.html#post919907), there are several panel manufacturers where early models had this type of hazard built into them. This is a prime example of the reason we should give all panel the same caution regardless of their brand name. As I also mentioned, it’s more likely that you will make contact when reinstalling the cover rather than removing it. That’s why it’s a good idea to carry electrical tape with you. You can reduce the hazard by taping the edge that might contact the conductors so that you can replace the cover. Leaving the cover off creates an unsafe condition. If you are not comfortable replacing the cover, you should hire someone (on the spot) to do it for you. NEVER should you leave a dead front off unless you lock the outer cover. ---
**Author:** ![swaskewicz](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/swaskewicz/32/1400_2.png) [@swaskewicz](https://forum.nachi.org/u/swaskewicz)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:07pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/6 "2012-06-26T14:07:26Z")
Lately, I use [one of these](http://www.inspectoroutlet.com/powerful-ergonomic-handle-magnet.aspx) more and more to get the front cover off safely. ![Magnets.JPG](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/original/3X/6/8/68350a97b0b959c9b1d21f718b9421826c5db9d6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 2:28pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/7 "2012-06-26T14:28:50Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > Did you measure how close it was as a mental note to what is done on occasion? This should never be attempted. Inserting anything into an energized panel (especially a metal tape measure :roll:) can be hazardous. _Measuring_ the proximity is not only foolish, it’s completely unnecessary. ---
**Author:** ![dredding](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dredding/32/1515_2.png) [@dredding](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dredding)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/8 "2012-06-26T16:56:29Z")
Good points all. I certainly will make a mental note about the overall size and shape of the panel to ensure I don’t remove another one of these. Thanks JJ - I hadn’t thought of that. Heading over there to get it re-installed asap. ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:05pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/9 "2012-06-26T17:05:54Z")
OH I forgot how stupid some people can be Darin! I hope you didn’t take my advice. Did you measure how close it was as a **mental note** to what is done on occasion? ---
**Author:** ![rcooke](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/rcooke/32/57038_2.png) [@rcooke](https://forum.nachi.org/u/rcooke)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:09pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/10 "2012-06-26T17:09:12Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > OH I forgot how stupid some people can be Darin! I hope you didn’t take my advice. > > Did you measure how close it was as a **mental note** to what is done on occasion? Some times your advice is great and other times ??? ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:15pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/11 "2012-06-26T17:15:10Z")
> **[mental note](http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mental+note)** > > Definition, Synonyms, Translations of mental note by The Free Dictionary My point was when you see this type of Panel again and you don’t need to stick anything in the panel to see how close it is to the cover. ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:18pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/12 "2012-06-26T17:18:37Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > **Did you measure how close it was** as a mental note to what is done on occasion? Please explain what you mean, and why this would be necessary. ---
**Author:** ![mlarson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mlarson/32/89225_2.png) [@mlarson](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mlarson)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:21pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/13 "2012-06-26T17:21:26Z")
> [@jpope](#): > > Please explain what you mean, and why this would be necessary. Jeff, if you can understand what KEVIN writes, please explain it to us mere mortals. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/14 "2012-06-26T17:23:48Z")
No comment to increase your intelligence. ---
**Author:** ![mlarson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mlarson/32/89225_2.png) [@mlarson](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mlarson)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 5:27pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/15 "2012-06-26T17:27:09Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > No comment to increase your intelligence. No comment by you needed. Your posts say it all.☹ ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:16pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/16 "2012-06-26T18:16:08Z")
Good points all. I certainly will make a **mental note** about the **overall size and shape of the panel to ensure I don’t remove another one of these**. ---
**Author:** ![rcooke](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/rcooke/32/57038_2.png) [@rcooke](https://forum.nachi.org/u/rcooke)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/17 "2012-06-26T18:53:55Z")
I would still remove the cover if I found one … ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/18 "2012-06-26T19:55:21Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > Good points all. I certainly will make a **mental note** about the **overall size and shape of the panel to ensure I don’t remove another one of these**. I’m beginning to believe that English may not be your first language. The only time your posts can be understood, is when you copy and paste them from somewhere else. I understood Darin’s post completely. I still don’t understand why you would suggest that something should be _measured_. Just more nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/19 "2012-06-26T20:26:30Z")
You can’t think like me and you never will! ---
**Author:** ![mlarson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mlarson/32/89225_2.png) [@mlarson](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mlarson)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:27pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/20 "2012-06-26T20:27:53Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > You can’t think like me and you never will! I think most of us are rather grateful for that. 😉 [Next page](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121.md?page=2)