# This can't be good **URL:** \ **Category:** Electrical Inspections\ **Created:** [June 26, 2012, 4:25am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121 "2012-06-26T04:25:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/21 "2012-06-26T20:49:04Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > You can’t think like me and you never will! This is likely true for the majority of those who visit this board, which is exactly why you should refrain from posting when the inference (to those who are rational “thinkers”) is to insert something into an energized panel. If you honestly believe you’re trying to “teach” something, then it is your responsibility to “think” like the rest of us. ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 9:32pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/22 "2012-06-26T21:32:08Z")
Funny how I only have a problem here! I also have a problem explaining IAQ but I still try. LOL ---
**Author:** ![mlarson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mlarson/32/89225_2.png) [@mlarson](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mlarson)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 9:34pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/23 "2012-06-26T21:34:08Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > Funny how I only have a problem here! > I also have a problem explaining IAQ but I still try. LOL Are you still posting on IN? ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/24 "2012-06-26T21:36:47Z")
At least Darin understood it what happened with everybody else posting here? ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:05pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/25 "2012-06-26T23:05:01Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > Funny how I only have a problem here! The “problem” you’re having here is that we’re calling you out on your BS. It’s quite apparent that you don’t have the experience or education that you want us to believe you have. You freely admit that electrical is your “weakest” area, while you continue to post as if you have all the answers. If this is truly your weakest area, maybe you should listen to some of us who actually have the ability to teach you something. ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:12pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/26 "2012-06-26T23:12:57Z")
I will say you have taught me something Jeffrey! There are many things I could teach you too but you know how it goes. ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:22pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/27 "2012-06-26T23:22:11Z")
No, I don’t know “how it goes.” Please enlighten me. ---
**Author:** ![kbrittain](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kbrittain/32/59414_2.png) [@kbrittain](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kbrittain)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2012, 11:46pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/28 "2012-06-26T23:46:49Z")
The required training for 2011/2012 for NC licensed inspectors was on electrical safety, specifically electrical panels. Here is a link to ths presentation slides if you’re interested. [http://www.ncdoi.com/OSFM/Engineering/hilb/documents/NCHIUpdate2011-12\_pptslides.pdf](http://www.ncdoi.com/OSFM/Engineering/hilb/documents/NCHIUpdate2011-12_pptslides.pdf) The recommended PPE _1.Arc-Rated, Flame Resistant Long Sleeve Shirt (ATPV=4), loose but not baggy or tight fitting. 2.Arc-Rated, Flame Resistant Long Pants or Overalls (ATPV=4), loose but not baggy or tight fitting. 3.Correctly Fitting Leather gloves 4.Hearing Protection (ear canal inserts) 5.Impact rated safety glasses / face shield (ATPV=4) 6.Electrical Hazard Safety Rated Shoes [size=1]_[/size] ---
**Author:** ![ccurrins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/ccurrins/32/225758_2.png) [@ccurrins](https://forum.nachi.org/u/ccurrins)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 12:52am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/29 "2012-06-27T00:52:53Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > Did you measure how close it was as a mental note to what is done on occasion? You’ve already displayed your _measuring skills_ at the 2x4/2x6 thread. A similar mistake could kill you at an electrical service panel. ---
**Author:** ![dredding](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/dredding/32/1515_2.png) [@dredding](https://forum.nachi.org/u/dredding)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 1:27am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/30 "2012-06-27T01:27:03Z")
> [@kbrittain](#): > > The required training for 2011/2012 for NC licensed inspectors was on electrical safety, specifically electrical panels. Here is a link to ths presentation slides if you’re interested. > > [http://www.ncdoi.com/OSFM/Engineering/hilb/documents/NCHIUpdate2011-12\_pptslides.pdf](http://www.ncdoi.com/OSFM/Engineering/hilb/documents/NCHIUpdate2011-12_pptslides.pdf) > > The recommended PPE > _1.Arc-Rated, Flame Resistant Long Sleeve Shirt (ATPV=4), loose but not baggy or tight fitting. > 2.Arc-Rated, Flame Resistant Long Pants or Overalls (ATPV=4), loose but not baggy or tight fitting. > 3.Correctly Fitting Leather gloves > 4.Hearing Protection (ear canal inserts) > 5.Impact rated safety glasses / face shield (ATPV=4) > 6.Electrical Hazard Safety Rated Shoes > [size=1]_[/size] Excellent slides Kenneth, appreciate it very much. Just went through it and learned a thing or two. How many of you HI’s don FR clothing when opening up a panel? Reading the injuries on the Powerpoint makes me realize that even the simplest mistake can have disastrous consequences. Definite eye-opener. Question - Should a class 0 rubber glove like those by Magid be worn under the leather? Seems the leather does not offer protection from voltage, simply protects the rubber gloves, worn underneath, from receiving mechanical damage. Is this correct? Please enlighten me before I light myself up. And if any of you have a good resource for where these products can be purchased, please let me know. THANKS ALL. ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 2:21am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/31 "2012-06-27T02:21:03Z")
So which panel was pegged for the breaker falling out? I will give you a hint it starts with F and ends with E. ---
**Author:** ![jpope](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jpope/32/59425_2.png) [@jpope](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jpope)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 3:20am UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/32 "2012-06-27T03:20:59Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > So which panel was pegged for the breaker falling out? > I will give you a hint it starts with F and ends with E. I’ve had breakers fall out of FPE, GE, Square D and Siemens. Again, not isolated to one brand of panel. You may learn this as you gain experience. A point of information - when the breaker falls out, it is no longer energized. It’s usually pretty simple to snap it back into position unless it’s damaged in some way. Just be sure to turn it “off” first. I’m not sure how this relates to the original post, however. ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Port](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@Jim\_Port](https://forum.nachi.org/u/Jim_Port)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/33 "2012-06-27T14:51:50Z")
Darrin, Saulsbury is a supplier of both the leather protectors and the rubber gloves in several voltage classes. ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/34 "2012-06-27T16:01:12Z")
So with what Jeffrey said would you recommend that an inspector re install the breaker for the Home Owner? I take pictures and call the AHJ. What should a normal Home Inspector do? I know if I was a home owner and I came home to set all my alarms after an inspector when there is no power outage I would freak. ---
**Author:** ![jjonas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/jjonas/32/301755_2.png) [@jjonas](https://forum.nachi.org/u/jjonas)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/35 "2012-06-27T16:19:30Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > So with what Jeffrey said would you recommend that an inspector re install the breaker for the Home Owner? > I take pictures and call the AHJ. What should a normal Home Inspector do? > I know if I was a home owner and I came home to set all my alarms after an inspector when there is no power outage I would freak. Why would you call the AHJ? He/she has no say in the matter at hand, or are things that different in Canada? ---
**Author:** ![Jim\_Port](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/bc8723/32.png) [@Jim\_Port](https://forum.nachi.org/u/Jim_Port)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/36 "2012-06-27T16:27:10Z")
Someone would freak out becasue they had to set a few alarm clocks? Pleeze. ---
**Author:** ![kwood](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/kwood/32/473_2.png) [@kwood](https://forum.nachi.org/u/kwood)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:46pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/37 "2012-06-27T16:46:26Z")
Yes it must be different here! You don’t have to deal with the people I have to and you could end up in lake with a chain around your neck if you are not careful. There are 100’s of Lawyers here just waiting for you to make a mistake. ---
**Author:** ![mlarson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mlarson/32/89225_2.png) [@mlarson](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mlarson)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:50pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/38 "2012-06-27T16:50:35Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > So with what Jeffrey said would you recommend that an inspector re install the breaker for the Home Owner? > I take pictures and call the AHJ. What should a normal Home Inspector do? > I know if I was a home owner and I came home to set all my alarms after an inspector when there is no power outage I would freak. You are certifiably nuts.:shock: Turn off the breaker and reinsert it. What is wrong with you? I leave tent card to inform the owner to check his thermostats, clocks and timers for proper settings with my contact info. Why do I have to tell a CMI this simple stuff? ---
**Author:** ![mlarson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/mlarson/32/89225_2.png) [@mlarson](https://forum.nachi.org/u/mlarson)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/39 "2012-06-27T16:51:54Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > Yes it must be different here! **You don’t have to deal with the people I have to** and you could end up in lake with a chain around your neck if you are not careful. > There are 100’s of Lawyers here just waiting for you to make a mistake. Thank goodness. Have you ever thought it’s because of the misinformation you give them? :roll: ---
**Author:** ![ccurrins](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/internachi/user_avatar/forum.nachi.org/ccurrins/32/225758_2.png) [@ccurrins](https://forum.nachi.org/u/ccurrins)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2012, 5:23pm UTC](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121/40 "2012-06-27T17:23:36Z")
> [@kwood](#): > > Yes it must be different here! You don’t have to deal with the people I have to and you could end up in lake with a chain around your neck if you are not careful. > There are 100’s of Lawyers here just waiting for you to make a mistake. and you haven’t been sued and put out of business yet? that’s hard to believe. [Previous page](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.nachi.org/t/this-cant-be-good/70121.md?page=3)