Today marks 20 years since the U.S. attacked the wrong country after 911

I was referring to this Nick, not Iraq

Uh, sorry.

Trump actually defeated ISIS, it took a bit of military power and resolve to accomplish this. But in other areas, Trump was just as relentless as past presidents. But, no new wars was refreshing :smile:

The article posted was in the early middle of his Presidency. We endured ISIS terror for many years, I was relieved he put it to an end. However it was never acknowledged, never celebrated.

Any type of “war” since WW2 should be never be "celebrated’…IMHO.

An excellent point. But I do not think the reason for lack of celebration or mention had anything to do with anything other than the media hacks inability to acknowledge Trump success.

Not going down the Trump “rabbit hole” on my last comment. But Thanks for trying… :wink:

The first Gulf War was an honorable one where we were on the right side. Someone had to push Iraq out of Kuwait. It’s why God let us win that one and lose all the others.

Many are apparently applying the same rule to the Russia/Ukraine policy. I will confidently say this border patrol foreign policy is not sustainable.

The Gulf War was instigated by Iraq taking of Kuwait and not only did the UN disagree, the US was sided with 35 other nations to stop the unlawful take over of another country. The US took the initiative for the “conflict”…and eventually prevailed. There was no “war” as others have suggested. Vietnam was the last war that and the US lost that one.

Btw- Russia invading Ukraine is on the same line as Iraq invading Kuwait. No?

I know, I was enlisted at the time. It was one of the most amazing military wins ever. Accomplished solely by American power.

It could have gone horribly wrong. And it did in many ways. We have to be careful what “moral soapbox” we stand upon. As we walk with our heads high, it is all a matter of perspective.

Does anyone remember the Highway of Death?
“The route in and out was the same, so when many fleeing Iraqi troops ventured back across the Highway, it caused significant queues. Taking advantage of the situation, US planes immobilised vehicles at the front and back, packing the troops like sardines in a 60-kilometre stretch. Here the American-led coalition bombarded from the air, mainly using cluster bombs designed to set maximum destruction over vast areas. The assault resulted in countless deaths and the obliteration and abandonment of thousands of vehicles – some of the most iconic images of modern war.”


Sad, but an awesome reminder Brian. Thank you for your service!!

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Not to go too far off into “what if” land. But similar atrocities are currently occurring right now in Ukraine. Experts are saying death polls are way way under reported.

“What if” America had as much aversion to war as our attraction to it? “What if” we engaged Putin with real diplomatic leadership going back decades? We can’t just default to saying “he is crazy” because we all know the history leading up to this moment. He has a dying country and desperate countries do desperate things.

I just don’t think we try very hard or are asleep at the wheel. Or, there is a group in power that loves war (industrial military complex?). Seems are we are quick to react with power but slow at prevention. This time, we are in over our heads…this is not Kuwait

“Whoever wishes to foresee the future must consult the past; for human events ever resemble those of preceding times. This arises from the fact that they are produced by men who ever have been, and ever shall be, animated by the same passions, and thus they necessarily have the same results.” ~ Machiavelli