Trying To Keep Up With Jeff P.

Originally Posted By: bbadger
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Here are some photos I have taken at work lately, they show that poor electric work is not limited to houses.


This first one is a 200 amp, 3 phase 208Y/120 panel supplied with 12 AWG.

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This next one is a 225 amp, 3 phase 208Y/120 panel in this one we have 'double tapping' issues.

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Click on the above photo for a much larger image.

Click here for a large overall shot of the panel just above.

This last one is another 225 amp 3 phase panel that has been in use for 2 or 3 years but no one ever tightened phase A of the supply conductors into the breaker.



Questions and comments are welcome.

Bob


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Originally Posted By: bking
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These problems on commercial property? WOW


I have heard that there is a serious shortage nowadays of talent in all of the trades. Too many young people just want to mouse around with computers at a desk. In many cases the pay is the same so can you blame them? Another problem is lack of training / communication within companies. Very few technical type people are any good at training new employees and even worse when they are in management positions.


Originally Posted By: bbadger
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bking wrote:
I have heard that there is a serious shortage nowadays of talent in all of the trades. Too many young people just want to mouse around with computers at a desk. In many cases the pay is the same so can you blame them?


I must agree with you 100%, this is a huge issue for the company I work for.

It happens we have extensive in house training but getting motivated responsible candidates is very tough. The local Burger joints pay more to start.


Originally Posted By: jpope
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icon_biggrin.gif Very nice. . .


Originally Posted By: mboyett
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bbadger wrote:
It happens we have extensive in house training but getting motivated responsible candidates is very tough. The local Burger joints pay more to start.
uhhh....maybe you've identified the problem?


Originally Posted By: bbadger
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mboyett wrote:
bbadger wrote:
It happens we have extensive in house training but getting motivated responsible candidates is very tough. The local Burger joints pay more to start.
uhhh....maybe you've identified the problem?


Well ya. ![icon_lol.gif](upload://zEgbBCXRskkCTwEux7Bi20ZySza.gif)

But the fact is when they first come to work for us they are about as useful as you know what on a bull.

While the starting hourly wage at BK may be higher you are not learning anything useful that will eventually bring you better pay.

The Company I work for is a wage and benefit leader in this area. They will pay for the 600 hours of school that MA requires. They will pay for the required school books if you maintain good attendance and grades in that school. When they are hired the company provides them with a 'starter' set of tools worth about $300.

Still many kids in this area of the country have no interest in the trades. They are not willing to put in a few tough years to learn a trade that once they are licensed can pay very well.


Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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Trades of any kind are so hard to come by here that the guys in the labor pool are always eyed as potential candidates for a better job. If someone shows up sober more than a few days in a row they are courted by most of the contractors. Our unemployment here is around 2-3% overall and about a half of one percent in construction.


Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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lol…Well since you noticed these problem BOB in your work place I am hoping you corrected them for them…icon_smile.gif


And on that one with the lug not tightened......dont forget to break out your torque wrench...thehehe


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Originally Posted By: bbadger
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pabernathy wrote:
lol....Well since you noticed these problem BOB in your work place I am hoping you corrected them for them....![icon_smile.gif](upload://b6iczyK1ETUUqRUc4PAkX83GF2O.gif)


Can not say that I did, the customer with the 20 amp feeder to the 200 amp panel explained to me "it's been that way for years".

I found another 'less' incorrect panel to get the circuits from that I was adding. I did put a P-Touch label on the panel above the breaker stating "This Panel Supplied With a 20 AMP Feeder!"

The loose conductor is most likely still loose, usually I would have just tightened it on the spot but.... that panel feeds computer room equipment for a very large insurance co. If I touch it and knock a computer off line the company I work for will be in deep *@^+.

I have informed the customer, they have an "in house" electrician I am sure they will schedule some computer room down time and take care of it.


Originally Posted By: dedwards
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I love it when sellers say “Its been that way for years” So has the Roman coliseum but you wouldn’t want to live in it. Just because something has been wrong “for years” doesn’t give it a pass. Another good one is “it was working just fine before it quit.” I guess if something begins to run in a degredated manner than it deserves our attention but otherwise let that sucker run forever without any preventative maintenance till it just quits. People are funny. Not “ha ha” funny but funny.