Trying to save a $150 service call.

Originally Posted By: dmacy
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In trying to figure the three sets of wires.
1 is the power coming in. (Not sure if that would be the bottom)
2 is going to a light fixture.
3 is going to a switch that controls another light in the shower.

I appreciate your help.

Dave

Home Safe

Being a home inspector you would think I could do this!!!!


Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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I assume this box feeds a light from the switch and a down stream outlet.


Where is the downstream outlet? If you want it on the GFCI this is easy.


There are 2 sets of holes at each terminal of the newer GFCIs with the clamp plate. Put the whites for the feed and light on the “line side”. Put the black feed and a pigtail to the switch on the line side. Put the down stream outlet on the load side.


If you are replacing the box, use a double and a full sized switch instead of a combo device. You will be happy later.


Originally Posted By: rcooke
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dmacy wrote:
I have a question that can save me $150+ dollars that an electrician quoted me to correctly wire a switch & GFCI in my own bathroom.

There was only a switch and no outlet. I installed a GFCI with a top switch but the problem is the box is to small to accomadate all the wires and GFCI.

I am planning on taking out the old metal box and installing a larger box to properly contain the wires and outlet/switch.
Home Safe

Being a home inspector you would think I could do this!!!!


Sorry we are professionals and we expect people to hire us for that reason .
If we expect to be treated as professionals then we to should hire a professional when it is necessary.
How would I feel if you where killed trying to do this on my advice.

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Originally Posted By: dmacy
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Roy


I would be very stupid if I being a home inspector didnt know where to locate
the breaker shut off.

Dave ![icon_eek.gif](upload://yuxgmvDDEGIQPAyP9sRnK0D0CCY.gif)


Originally Posted By: rcooke
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dmacy wrote:
Roy

I would be very stupid if I being a home inspector didnt know where to locate
the breaker shut off.

Dave ![icon_eek.gif](upload://yuxgmvDDEGIQPAyP9sRnK0D0CCY.gif)


I did not say you where stupid and I do not feel I am stupid.
I am not going to try and tell you how to do a repair like this via email.

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Originally Posted By: jtedesco
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Stay away from something you know nothing about, pay a professional to do the job right!

I see some old wiring that would make me suspect, and I would recommend that rewiring be considered too.

I shutter when viewing the picture you posted.


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Originally Posted By: rbennett
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Remember the sparkie that is coming in to take your $150


does not know what wire goes where any more than you do.

He sort of thinks that one is hot and the other two are lights, plugs, etc.

He will put his meter or test lite on all three pairs before he does anything so he can make sure the power is off.

Next he will remove the old box and install the new larger one while trying to save the old wiring. If it gets damaged he will have to replace to a good splice point which could involve fishing the wall etc.

He has already made one trip probably at NC which has to be paid for.

So here is my take -- It is sort of you being requested to go to a house to give an EST. and then the buyer doing his own inspection. If he feels like getting dirty, taking the time, getting the material, getting the info on how to do it, etc. then go for it.

My background is that I would have had it done in less time than it would have had taken to post the message but the first time I had a project of this nature I had to call a sparkie to repair the damage that I did. He owed me one. I had him in my AR for his 2-way radio repair.

rlb


Originally Posted By: tschwalbe
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As a Home Inspector if you dont have a non contact voltage tester and know how to use it you should.


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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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We are all here to learn .


It is better some times to get some one else to fix some thing .


We all think we can do it and just maybe some of us can .


But it is frequently better to get some one else to do it . I just built a garage .


I did the footings and foundation but had some one else lay the cement floor I did the walls but had some one else put in the doors .


One front Powered and one back manual . ( great idea )


( I can get my boat in back yard for the winter )


I did the sheathing but had some one else do the shingles .


Yes I feel I have the ability to do these things but Hot weather and they did the shingles in 3 hours .


Me I would have taken three days ( do not Like the hot sun ).


Remember the only dumb question is the one you do not ask .


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Originally Posted By: rbennett
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Todd


I need a little education

Help me out. When does a HI need that type of test equipment??

Knowledge or lack of does not make for stupid. Knowledge of wall outlet testing with certain types of test equipment is not a measure of stupid. NO question is stupid - just the answers

We have seen your answer.

RLB


Originally Posted By: rcooke
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rbennett wrote:
Todd

I need a little education

Help me out. When does a HI need that type of test equipment??

Knowledge or lack of does not make for stupid. Knowledge of wall outlet testing with certain types of test equipment is not a measure of stupid. NO question is stupid - just the answers

We have seen your answer.

RLB



I use mine mostly to confirm if Knob and tube is energised.


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Once upon a time, a guy asked a girl..... "Will you marry me ???"

The girl said "No."



So the guy lived happily ever after…


he drank beer with the boys, left the toilet seat up


and went golfing a lot.



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Originally Posted By: Jay Moge
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okay all these people are just not willing to tell you the right way, than I will, so listen up…first you get your check book, send me a check for 149.95 (that's .05 cheaper) plus gas money (from N.H.) and i’ll come fix it. icon_cool.gif


Originally Posted By: lewens
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Come on Roy


A yard and a half to put in a gfci? I’m in the wrong business.



Just my usual 12.5 cents


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Originally Posted By: rcooke
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lewens wrote:
Come on Roy
A yard and a half to put in a gfci? I'm in the wrong business.

This is the USA where many know what to charge .
Most are not like us Canadians they know if you want to stay in business they charge what they are worth.
That is why most home inspectors in Canada are out of business in about 3 years. My small area has had at least 35 come and go .
Always some new ones trying to get started by giving low prices to get started.

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Originally Posted By: Greg Fretwell
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I wouldn’t start my car for less than $100. $150 is not unreasonable for sending a truck out there.


Ten years ago IBM's minimum charge was close to $500


Originally Posted By: lkage
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Greg Fretwell wrote:
I wouldn't start my car for less than $100. $150 is not unreasonable for sending a truck out there.


I agree, as do the electricians I know.


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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Sorry guys; I have to agree somewhat with Roy on this one, he is the electrician by trade.

Sorry Larry E. not quite sure what you were disagreeing with Roy on!

If at all, most people will hire the professionals when there is a landscape of safety measures open to the field.

Hire a professional.
Like Roy started to point out;

I do my plumbing (limited)
I do my electrical (limited)
I do my concrete
I do my framing
I do my roofing
I do my ceramic tile floors
I do my carpet (professional)
I do my siding
I do my painting
I do my finish carpentry
I do my rough carpentry
I inspect my work , no (my wife does) P. S. and she a bitch of an inspector.

Bottom line, do not try to do what may cause harm to you or someone else. You are to valuable in someone's eyes, hire a professional or at the least, get professional local help.

Marcel


Originally Posted By: jwilliams4
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(I’m just trying to help his industry)



“not just an inspection, but an education”

Originally Posted By: osmith
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Dave,


I have an idea for you. How about calling the electrician back and work out a deal where he comes does the work for say $75.00 (While you look and learn). In return, you pass his cards out if someone is in need of an electrician. This of course is inevitable in our line of business. Just make sure that your clients understand its a referral, not an endorsement.

Oscar

P.S. If not, I would spend the money. Its a small price to pay for knowing the job is done correctly, safely and professionally. Just my 1.5 cents


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Originally Posted By: mcyr
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Oscar; Ditto, Ditto.

Marcel