Unfair fees

Proposal to charge tradespeople extra fees is completely unfair .

http://virtual.homes-extra.ca/doc/Toronto-Sun-Homes/1031homes/2014103101/#31

How else do you expect to pay for “free” health care?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#Public_opinion](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#Public_opinion) .


I think most Canadians feel happy with what we have .


**I do see many Americans complain about their health care **


Public opinion

Canadians strongly support the health system’s public rather than for-profit private basis, and a 2009 poll by Nanos Research found 86.2% of Canadians surveyed supported or strongly supported “public solutions to make our public health care stronger.”[17]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-17)[18]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-18) A Strategic Counsel survey found 91% of Canadians prefer their healthcare system instead of a U.S. style system.[19]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-http-19)[20]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-blogs.chicagotribune.com-20)
A 2009 Harris/Decima poll found 82% of Canadians preferred their healthcare system to the one in the United States,[21]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-21) while a Strategic Counsel survey in 2008 found 91% of Canadians preferring their healthcare system to that of the U.S.[19]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-http-19)[20]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-blogs.chicagotribune.com-20)
A 2003 Gallup poll found 25% of Americans are either “very” or “somewhat” satisfied with “the availability of affordable healthcare in the nation”, versus 50% of those in the UK and 57% of Canadians. Those “very dissatisfied” made up 44% of Americans, 25% of respondents of Britons, and 17% of Canadians. Regarding quality, 48% of Americans, 52% of Canadians, and 42% of Britons say they are satisfied.[22]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_in_Canada#cite_note-Gallup.com-22)

True, Canadians are strongly in favor of their health care system. Most of my relatives still live in Quebec and not one of them has anything bad to say about the medical.

I have relatives that are doctors, teachers, couple of nuns, 1 priest, carpenter, plumber and a few minimum wage workers. AT a family gathering the discussion was had about them vs us and I heard a couple of gripes but everyone is glad they are not on our medical system.

One bothersome fact, you can work for 40 years as a productive American, pay bills on time, save for retirement and never been a drain on the government and POW, you get sick and you lose your lifes savings overnight.

Now that’s just a great way to repay a good and patriotic American.

And that’s WITH obamacare

I have a close friend in the USA her son-in-law before he married her daughter was changing jobs about 20 years ago he got an appendicitis attack .Out it had to come he with no insurance got a bill for $38,000.00 .He is still paying for this .
These things do not happen in Canada .
I see many home inspectors posting on this forum who have had things like this happen to their family .
No idea who is responsible just sad to see so many are paying huge funds.
some thing is strange when the same treatment cost many times to get in USA then the cost is in Canada.

Get tired of the woe is me, life is not fair complaining from people on the government run healthcare side of things. People need to understand that life has never been fair. Personal responsibility is not for the government to supply. Costs are outrageous for many reasons but the biggest is due to insurance companies and in place government regulations. All the people I know In the medical industry tell me that if the government quit trying to make things fair with over the top stupid regulations then the cost of everything would decrease

Health care is not free.
Fortunately it is not like in the United States.

The pharmaceutical industry and health care is being eroded by lobbying from the wealthy trying to follow the American system.

It is hard to say what is the best system to choose but when you are ill you will pay anything to recapture that was once health.

The sad storey is, at what cost is everyone willing to pay?
I know what I am paying both directly and indirectly.

Did they cancel Medicare? :roll:

No one owes you health care.

No one owes** you** Medicare.
As it bankrupts you country.
Easy to steel from the sick and dying Michel.:frowning:

We pay for healthcare in wage deductions.

In our country a social political party insured a form of health care for Canadian citizens.

Varieties of public systemsedit]

Main article: Health care system
Most developed countries, with the exception of the United States, have partially or fully publicly funded health systems. Most western industrial countries have a system of social insurance based on the principle of social solidarity that covers eligible people from bearing the direct burden of most health care expenditure, funded by taxation during their working life.
Among countries with significant public funding of health care there are many different approaches to the funding and provision of medical services. Systems may be funded from general government revenues (as in Canada) or through a government social security system (as in Australia, France, Belgium, Japan and Germany) with a separate budget and hypothecated taxes or contributions. The proportion of the cost of care covered also differs: in Canada, all hospital care is paid for by the government, while in Japan, patients must pay 10 to 30% of the cost of a hospital stay. Services provided by public systems vary. For example, the Belgian government pays the bulk of the fees for dental and eye care, while the Australian government covers eye care but not dental care.
Publicly funded medicine may be administered and provided by the government, as in the Nordic countries, Portugal, Spain, and Italy; in some systems, though, medicine is publicly funded but most hospital providers are private entities, as in Canada. The organization providing public health insurance is not necessarily a public administration, and its budget may be isolated from the main state budget. Some systems do not provide universal healthcare or restrict coverage to public health facilities. Some countries, such as Germany, have multiple public insurance organizations linked by a common legal framework. Some, such as the Netherlands, allow private for-profit insurers to participate.
Two-tier health careedit]

Main article: Two-tier health care
Almost every major country that has a publicly funded health care system also has a parallel private system for patients who hold private medical insurance or themselves pay for treatment.[2]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicly_funded_health_care#cite_note-2) In those states, those able to pay have access to treatment and comforts that may not be available to those dependent upon the state system.
From the inception of the NHS model (1948), public hospitals in the United Kingdom have included “amenity beds” which would typically be siderooms fitted more comfortably, and private wards in some hospitals where for a fee more amenities are provided. Patients using these beds are in an NHS hospital for surgical treatment, and operations are generally carried out in the same operating theatres as NHS work and by the same personnel but the hospital and the physician receive funding from an insurance company or the patient. These amenity beds do not exist in all publicly funded systems, such as in Spain. From time to time, the NHS pays for private hospitals (arranged hospitals) to take on surgical cases under contract.
Policy discussionedit]

Main articles: Health care systems and Health care reform
Many countries are seeking the right balance of public and private insurance, public subsidies, and out-of-pocket payments.
Many OECD countries have implemented reforms to achieve policy goals of ensuring access to health-care, improving the quality of health care and health outcomes, allocating an appropriate level of public sector other resources to health care but at the same time ensuring that services are provided in a cost-efficient and cost-effective manner (microeconomic efficiency). A range of measures, such as better payment methods, have improved the microeconomic incentives facing providers. However, introducing improved incentives through a more competitive environment among providers and insurers has proved difficult.[3]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicly_funded_health_care#cite_note-docteur.2Foxley-3)
A 2009 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Public Health found more than 44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States because of Americans’ lacking health insurance, equivalent to one excess death every 12 min.[4]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicly_funded_health_care#cite_note-4)[5]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publicly_funded_health_care#cite_note-5) More broadly, the total number of people in the United States, whether insured or uninsured, who die because of lack of medical care was estimated in a 1997 analysis to be nearly 100,000 per year

that is before Obama care too i watch the old couple next door loose everything the property had been in the family for close to 100 years , they sold off and sold off , ten lost it for medical bills and drug bills . So it was a problem way before you all started to blame Obama lol

And obamacare doesn’t fix it either.

Can we please keep the political crap in the NFE section where it belongs. :roll:

Great post Roy. Tommy Duglas
The father of Canadian Medicare.

Sorry Stephen. Last post on the subject.
I am sure when the facts are know a better example will be set by all.

Best regards.