Update on WASHINGTON Home Inspector Bill

IN THE HOUSE Mar 15 First reading, referred to Commerce & Labor.***************************************

Where it’s at now.:roll:

I havent heard anything after it was sent to Commerce & Labor…

On March 12, SB 5788 passed through the Senate after Senator Spanel indicated that all the concerns of the stakeholders had been addressed ? :roll: Theres no lying in politics :mrgreen:

Yeah…20 minutes and 8 people being harassed the whole time to hurry up. :roll:

Here is the latest update sent to my e-mail from The Inspectors Journal;

By Mike O’Handley

On Monday, March 12th, state bill 5788, a bill to license home inspectors, was quietly and overwhelmingly passed (45-2) in the Washington state senate and moved on to the state house of representatives.

This bill is the second attempt by Washington State Senators Spanel and Kohl-Welles to get home inspectors licensed. A previous attempt, SB6229, which was introduced on January 9th 2006, died in committee last summer.

If this bill passes in the house, is signed by the governor and becomes law in it’s current form, Washington State inspectors, many of whom don’t even know there’s a law in the works, are going to find themselves saddled with a new, unpleasant reality as early as 2008.

There is a group of home inspectors - the Washington Home Inspectors Legislative Advisory Group (WHILAG), that, though generally in favor of licensing, is already actively opposing SB5788, because they do not feel that, in its current form, SB5788 accurately reflects the realities of the home inspection business nor the wants and needs of professional home inspectors in Washington State. That group’s latest position statement on SB 5788 can be read here.

WHILAG has already garnered the support of the American Society of Home Inspectors (ASHI) and National Association of Home Inspectors (NAHI), as well as a large group of home inspectors marshaled by Larry Stamp (Olympia), former President of the American Institute of Inspectors (AII). Unfortunately for WHILAG, the bill is being supported by Nick Gromicko, founder and owner of the National Association of Home Inspectors (NACHI), who stated in an email to Stamp, “I’m (not NACHI… Nick Gromicko) pushing 5788 hard and when I push something it typically moves.”

WHILAG is seeking input about licensing, pro or con, from every home inspector in the state. All inspectors should review these laws as presently written and contact WHILAG or their own state representatives as soon as possible to voice their position on this important issue.

Click here to read the original version of the bill; here to read a substitute version, here to read an engrossed substitute version and here to review a last-minute striker version submitted minutes before the bill was voted on in the senate.

Inspectors who want to sound off on any version of this law can do so by sending emails directly to TIJ at letters@inspectorsjournal.com . TIJ will forward those emails, unaltered, directly to the group’s secretary. Don’t delay, because, pro or con, licensing will directly impact every single inspector in the state.

I love you, Nick, but I hope you lose this one (if this is, indeed, what you said).

“That group’s latest position statement on SB 5788 can be read here.”

I would like to see the group’s latest position. This seems to be old and goes back to Feb 12 and the bill has been amended at least two times since then. Right before it passed, I read a detailed position statement from ASHI (members of which are a large part of that industry committee). Part of what they were most upset with was the “point” system that allowed a wide allowance of credit towards qualifying to take the test from training or work other than formal classroom education. This was allowed in the Oregon model that was in the bill at that time. They were completely oppossed to that and wanted the 120 hours back in. Not sure how pleased they are now, but because of the outcry from many sources, the senate removed the Oregon model for points and put back in the 120 hours of classroom education. Far as I could tell, their other main point was they wanted the NHIE to be the main test. I think that, in that area, the senate was pretty convinced that they do wish to stay with the Oregon model: five state designed tests that require a pass in each area. Originally the industry group had recommended and the legislature had gone along with mentored inspections. But that very quickly became overwhelmingly unpopular, when some individuals started quoting figures as to what they were going to charge potential inspectors. Some estimates for mentoring would have added $10,000 or more to the cost of entering the field. So, due to the outcry, the senate left in a bit of mentoring, but said it had to be free. That was obviously unworkable and then became unpopular with those who were proposing it in the first place. Last I saw, they had dropped that idea as did the senate. So basically, the bill that passed included the classroom training the group wanted, so their comments need to be updated.

Steve

see below

He posted that right here on the BB.

Wendy,

If you mean the post in Harold’s message, that industry postion is old…or at least it should be. Their position must have changed since February 12 because some of their suggestions were taken into account in the legislation. So I am wondering where they stand now, more than a month later.

Steve

No, I meant Nick’s support of the Bill. I knew I should have gone back and added the quote to show what I meant. Sorry.

He posted that right here on the BB.

Sure,

I saw that Wendy, it just did not compute. I was thinking your comment referenced what I said.

E-mail from Larry Stamp…

[FONT=Arial]Fellow Inspectors:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]On March 12, SB 5788 passed through the Senate after Senator Spanel indicated that all the concerns of the stakeholders had been addressed. Clearly, we have been had! As a refresher, I have copied the bill history from the website and attached it as a PDF above. I have also enclosed a draft response from WHILAG in a PDF file: [/FONT]****[FONT=Arial](Thanks Sandy Hartman)[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]Here are the highlights of what needs changing: [/FONT]****[FONT=Arial](Thanks Joanne McKintosh & Hugh Kelso)[/FONT][FONT=Arial][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]1) E[/FONT][FONT=Arial]liminate dual licensing as a home inspector and a pest inspector. Home Inspectors should be able to perform their inspection and look for conducive conditions and damage without having to hold both licenses[/FONT][FONT=Arial]; [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]2) R[/FONT][FONT=Arial]**equire a nationally-recognized psychometrically-evaluated examination along with a specific Washington state test module. There are established testing criteria that must be met to make the examination legally defensible to protect the state and the profession. **[/FONT][FONT=Arial]****[/FONT]
**[FONT=Arial]3) C[/FONT][FONT=Arial]**hange the composition of the home inspector board to eliminate potential conflicts of interest which may come about by having a real estate broker and an educator on the board. [/FONT]
**[FONT=Arial]4) A[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]**dd exemptions of other licensed professions and trades when acting within the scope of their own license. The law should be clear that other licensed professionals can look at or inspect specific aspects of a home without having to be licensed. [/FONT]****[FONT=Arial] [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]5) A[/FONT][FONT=Arial]**dd back in the enforceability sections of the original bill which were removed for unknown reasons. **[/FONT][FONT=Arial]****[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Let’s not give up now, we still have an opportunity to make change[/FONT]****[FONT=Arial]! [/FONT]
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**[FONT=Arial]**Now it is time to send your letters to your representatives in the house! [/FONT]****[FONT=Arial] [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial]To view the latest edition of the bill as it passed the Senate, go to:[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]http://www.leg.wa.gov/pub/billinfo/2007-08/Pdf/Bills/Senate%20Bills/5788-S.E.pdf [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]To find the contact information for your Representatives (remember to contact both of them!! ) go to: http://www.leg.wa.gov/House](http://www.leg.wa.gov/House). If you know who your representatives are, I have attached an e-mail list above in a PDF file.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]ALSO…[/FONT]****[FONT=Arial] Call the Legislative hotline 1-800-562-6000 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]Lastly, [/FONT][FONT=Arial]**I have enclosed a draft of a letter in a Word Doc that you can send your representatives. It is a little longer as I have enclosed some of the history I think they need to know about. Use it, change it, or whatever…. Just send something!! (As with the last letters there are 4 places marked by ** where you need to fill in information, (1) TO: Representative ** (2) From: Your Name (3) Date: ** and at the end (4) Signature [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial]I have been working to add names to my list and I know there are other mailing lists going around, so if you want to be deleted from this, or if I have duplicated your name, please let me know and please accept my apologies.[/FONT]
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**[FONT=Arial]**Larry [/FONT]
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**[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]Larry Stamp[/FONT]
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AD BS RREI
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[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]Cameo Home Inspection Services [/FONT]
[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]Your ‘Northwest Home’ Inspection Specialist[/FONT]
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[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]Certified Inspector: ASHI, American Society of Home Inspectors [/FONT][FONT=‘Arial Narrow’][/FONT]
[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]Past President: AII, American Institute of Inspectors[/FONT][FONT=‘Arial Narrow’][/FONT]
[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]Past President: WAPI, Washington Association of Property Inspectors[/FONT]
[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]Washington[/FONT]****[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’] Certified Real Estate Instructor
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[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]Chair: WDO Committee, WSPCA, Washington State Pest Control Association[/FONT][FONT=‘Arial Narrow’][/FONT]
[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’]cameohomeinspection@comcast.net [/FONT][FONT=‘Arial Narrow’][/FONT]
[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’] 7205 A Martin Way East, PMB 74 Olympia, WA. 98516
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[FONT=‘Arial Narrow’] 360.459.1632
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Here is the WHILAG proposed amendments attached…

This is the verbage of the proposed draft response that Larry indicated;

To: The Honorable Representative **
From: **
RE: Engrossed Senate Bill 5788 Licensing of Home Inspectors
Date: **
Thank you in advance for taking the time to read my comments.
About a year and a half ago, Senators Kohl-Welles and Spanel introduced Senate Bill 6229 regarding the licensing of home inspectors. While it caught many inspectors off guard, it was a good thing in that it prompted the development of a home inspector’s coalition, something many had been trying to develop for years. That coalition came to be called the Washington Home Inspectors Legislative Advisory Group, WHILAG, and it embodies inspectors who belong to all the national home inspector associations as well as independents. In the end, Senate Bill 6229 died, but WHILAG proceeded on, working to develop a bill which would represent the interests of both the consumer and inspector.

Last year was almost history when KIRO TV aired a piece about a couple who reportedly lost their home because of issues with rot and a failed septic system which were not detected during their home inspection. It was an emotional and sensational news piece in which Senator Spanel, orginal founder of SB 6229 was also interviewed. About a month after that piece aired, Senate Bill 5788 regarding the licensing of home inspectors was introduced, sponsored by Senators Spanel, Brandland and Kohl Wells. WHILAG immediately tried to become involved, but the Senators showed little to no interest in working with WHILAG to put together a cogent, well thought out bill. From there, the speed at which the bill was pushed forward has effectively left home inspectors out of the loop. From public hearings, to the Senate Committee on Labor, Commerce and Research & Development, our watchdogs have only been able to provide one or two days notice to rally home inspectors across the State. For example, the public hearing scheduled for a Monday was not announced until the Friday before, too little and too late for many who would have liked to attend.

In a statewide letter writing campaign in concert with the American Society of Home Inspectors (ASHI) and the National Association of Home Inspectors (NAHI) we have all asked the senators the same question: Why the undue haste in cobbling together a bill? Why are you not working with WHILAG? On March 12th, the bill passed the Senate floor after Senator Spanel informed the senate that all stakeholder’s concerns had been addressed.

In 2008, my yearly license fees will jump from $60.00 to nearly $800.00 and that will reflect in increased fees passed on to consumers, fees which at this point, will not provide them increased protection unless the bill is reworked.As one of these stakeholders, my concerns have not been addressed and this bill has been rushed through the Senate with unnecessary haste and lack of proper review or consideration by the professionals whose lives it will impact. My specific concerns and comments are as follows:

  1. E**liminate dual licensing as a home inspector and a pest inspector. Home Inspectors should be able to perform their inspection and look for conducive conditions and damage without having to hold both licenses. **
  2. R**equire a nationally-recognized psychometrically-evaluated examination along with a specific Washington state test module. There are established testing criteria that must be met to make the examination legally defensible to protect the state and the profession. **
  3. C**hange the composition of the home inspector board to eliminate potential conflicts of interest which may come about by having a real estate broker and an educator on the board. **
  4. A**dd exemptions of other licensed professions and trades when acting within the scope of their own license. The law should be clear that other licensed professionals can look at or inspect specific aspects of a home without having to be licensed. **
  5. A**dd back in the enforceability sections of the original bill which were removed for unknown reasons. **
    With all due respect, this has been a very frustrating process. I would support a reasonable bill, but I remain confused as to why there has been so little attempt to proactively consult with the professionals in the field whose lives this will impact instead of forcing them into a defensive position. As I am sharing this letter with other inspectors, I hope you will receive many more letters similar to this from other inspectors of similar thinking.
    My thanks to you again.
    Sincerely,

Well that’s exactly it. Spanel had no right to tell the Senate that all concerns had been addressed by all parties impacted. The one time they did give the public opportunity to voice their opinions, they limited them to 2 minutes or less, and spent the entire time they were talking, hurrying them, directing what they were allowed to say, and generally not listening to what the person was saying.

To lie like that, and then tell the Senate that it was appropriate to skip the third reading and vote on the matter was completely dishonest and inappropriate, and clearly shows an agenda to remove the public as well as inspectors, completely from the process.

What hace the inspectors in Brinnon Wa, done to prevent the bill from passing? Posting here surely doesn’t help?

So what great worldwide cause does it serve for you to post here?

Is it a requirement if one wishes to post here?

I didn’t think so.:roll:

Wendy, I assumed since you were so vocal about the bill that you and your area inspectors were working together in a planned opposition against the bill. I was just wondering what the action plan was. Sorry to intrude onto you territory.:roll: :roll: Have your space and enjoy the bill whatever it brings…

Ben, this statement led me to believe that you were implying that I wasn’t doing my part and should be leading the brigade rather than posting on the BB. If this wasn’t your intention I do apologize. I’m going through some rough personal stuff and didn’t mean to take it out on you.

IN THE HOUSE

Mar 27 Scheduled for public hearing in the House Committee on Commerce & Labor at 1:30 PM. (Subject to change)