Originally Posted By: rskinner
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Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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Well I can tell you this much they are trying to comply the 6 disconnect rule in not having a main breaker…in that this panel will not hold more than 6 from what i can see…but again I have been called blind before.
Ok.....The potential DRAW on the feed is beyond the amount allowed per NEC in this type set up...but I can almost bet you a home owner did it and not an electrician.
Ok.....I cant see the top of that panel....BUT I can see the green ground screw in the bottom and the grounds and neutrals on the same bar......this is a SUB panel no matter how you slice it and the neutrals and grounds need to be seperated....that little green screw TOSSED into green screw heaven.....and marked as a safety hazzard on your report and suggest it be reviewed by a licensed electrician to take yourself OUT of the equation....
Their may be other issues as well but I have seen enough to mark it up as a hazzard.
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Originally Posted By: rskinner
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There isn’t anything coming into the top of the panel and I did state that the G & N were not separated. It definitely concerns me that the feeders are only 12 guage.
Originally Posted By: bbadger
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| rskinner wrote: |
| It definitely concerns me that the feeders are only 12 guage. |
I agree with Paul it should be written up.
The 12 AWG feeders are not dangerous assuming they are protected at the source with a 20 amp breaker or fuse.
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Originally Posted By: jpope
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| rskinner wrote: |
| Acceptible or not? |
I would say not.
This is not service equipment and cannot be wired as such (bonded neutrals and grounds).
What size breaker was supplying the 12 ga feeders?
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Originally Posted By: rskinner
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I had no clue what the feeders were connected to. Nothing was labeled as such.
I also should mention that two of the 20a breaks are tied together. Does that make any difference?
Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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yep the feeders may be fine…it is the assuming WHAT the OCPD that would bother me. Base the loads on (3) 20A breakers with possible loads on them being fed back on a 12 AWG…now you KNOW happy home owner is going to get tired of that old tripping 20A breaker…say hello to my little friend…30A or 45A or 50A breaker…NOT…
Never assume what a home owner will do.......We know that is a mistake.
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Originally Posted By: jpope
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| rskinner wrote: |
| I had no clue what the feeders were connected to. Nothing was labeled as such. |
Where there any "over-fused" conductors in the service panel? All conductors were appropriately sized for their breakers?
| rskinner wrote: |
| I also should mention that two of the 20a breaks are tied together. Does that make any difference? |
That would make a 240 volt circuit. Not necessarily an issue.
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Originally Posted By: rskinner
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The real funny part of this inspection is that the owner kept saying “Why didn’t my inspector mention any of this”?
I didn’t ask who or how much he paid for his inspection 18 months ago. It coudnt have been a NACHI inspector.
Originally Posted By: rskinner
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No John, all conductors looked OK.
Originally Posted By: pabernathy
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| 20a breaks are tied together. Does that make any difference? |
well....kinda depends on how they are " tied" together actually.
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