Basement floor cracks

Originally Posted By: ssopha
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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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It looks like the slab decided it needed it’s own control joint where one was not present. There should be a control joint ~every 15-20’ I believe.



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Originally Posted By: jpope
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How wide a crack of zip strips(control crack lines) are consider to wide.


The answer to this question has many variables, but typically, cracks over 1/4" wide can be indicators of a significant problem.

Is there a perimeter footing?
Is this built on a hillside?


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Originally Posted By: ssopha
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JPope,


The building is not on a hill side. There are lookout basement windows on one side of the house. I know it is a controll joint because there are others that are spaced properly and have hairline zig zag cracks. This bigger than usual cracks runs the length of the basement width. There are no water intrusion or upheave that I can visually verify.


Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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I didn’t say it was a controlled crack. Control joints are made so the slab has a place to crack when it shrinks. If it doesn’t have a “control Joint” made for it(zip strip or sawed joint), the tendency is for the slab to makes it’s own in an area of least resistance, commonly at mid span (which this looks like)



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Originally Posted By: wpedley
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Like Kevin said If it doesn’t have a “control Joint” made for it(zip strip or sawed joint),and this wasn’t installed, then yes the floor will crack at the point of least resistance. Could be a number of reasons from under-tamped soil,improper amount of stone,etc., you just can’t tell. Just report what you see and call for further monitoring.


From what I can see from the pics there doesn't seem to be any

"installed" control joints in this floor.


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Originally Posted By: jpope
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kmcmahon wrote:
I didn't say it was a controlled crack.


I wasn't directing this at you Kevin ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)

ssopha wrote:
I know it is a controll joint because there are others that are spaced properly and have hairline zig zag cracks.


I'll take your word for it although I looked closely and could not see any indication of control. I've worked with concrete for many years and have no idea what a "zip strip" is and I've never seen a "controlled" crack look so jagged.

A six foot level laid across the crack (perpendicular) could help you determine if there is any heaving. You could (should) check the perimeter footing and wall (where visible) to see if the crack has transferred.

Absent any other related conditions, you may be safe to recommend monitoring rather than evaluation.


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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Sorry bout that Jeff, thought you wuz talkin to me! icon_wink.gif


I probably inspected close to a million cubic yards of concrete while I lived in Houston. Anything that has happend or will happen to concrete, I’ve probably seen it. Zip strips were commonplace down there as well as up here.


For information on them go here: http://www.formtechinc.com/other_expansionjoint.htm


I do agree that it doesn't look like any control joint at all was placed on that floor.


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Originally Posted By: ssopha
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Thanks guy, I will go with monitoring the crack for further movement.


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For information on them go here:


Every thing on that page I've seen except for the "zip strip."

I had the pleasure of "pour watch" during the largest monolithic pour in the history of the State of Hawaii in '93.

23,000 yards, 1 pour, 15 pumps, over 1000 truck loads and three and a half days (12 hours on and 4 off) ![icon_cool.gif](upload://oPnLkqdJc33Dyf2uA3TQwRkfhwd.gif)


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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Now that’s a big one. icon_eek.gif …my largest was 8500cyd. 16 pumps in 23 hrs. A week later we did the sister building next door at a little over 6,000cyd. Matt foundations are really neat…and my god the rebar!!!I spent 3 weeks inspecting it as they installed it.



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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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jpope wrote:


23,000 yards, over 1000 truck loads and three and a half days (12 hours on and 4 off) ![icon_cool.gif](upload://oPnLkqdJc33Dyf2uA3TQwRkfhwd.gif)


I would think in the area of 2,300 10 yard loads.


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My bad, over 2000 truck loads. Up to 15 feet deep in some points.



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Originally Posted By: kmcmahon
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Only picture I have left after all these years…must’ve lost the rest but this is at the start of the rebar process…Those are rebar support “chairs”. A little larger than most are probably used to seeing. icon_wink.gif






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Originally Posted By: jpope
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kmcmahon wrote:
A little larger than most are probably used to seeing. ![icon_wink.gif](upload://ssT9V5t45yjlgXqiFRXL04eXtqw.gif)


Rodbuster Local 416 Los Angeles CA, 17 plus years. I've seen much larger


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