Gee both my Brothers got electricians license because they worked as an electrician .
I had to do 4 years and much education .
Was I any better then them No!
Them was the rules and they followed the rules .
You seem to think the rules of past now should be rescinded well sorry I do not .
You do not wish to be a CMI Great that is you choice .
I made mine and never sorry never complained .
You are on the outside what rights do you have to complain with those who have followed the rules .
Rules are in place to follow not to break them because some one does not like them
The four ICC tests… building, electric, plumbing & mechanical would challenge most inspectors and be an adequate indicator of overall construction knowledge.
But what did you and your brothers do to get a Master Electrician designation Roy.
I can complain about CMI because CMI’s have brought their discussions to a public message board, as far as the “rules” go, they’re the problem, there are no enforcable or verified qualifications for your great “Masters” Designation.
Maybe if my best friends weren’t Masters in the building trades I would be impressed by CMI, but they are, and I’m not, and I will go out of my way to explain to clients, potential clients, and Realtors my views on meaningless designations.
Now I’m going to quit and go have a beer, agreeing with Joe B. makes me thirsty.:)
Joe, CMI is not a professional designation that indicates one’s overall construction knowledge at this time. It is a professional designation that indicates one’s hands-on experience and educational background.
Lewis, all 3 national home inspection associations rely on “the word of the applicant” in determining how many inspections their members have performed. In fact, we just deposed Mallory Anderson and she said under oath that her association relies solely on the applicant’s affidavit. Are you suggesting there is a better way?
As for “verification of standards” as you say… I don’t know what you are talking about. Verify what about what standards? Explain.
Yes, I understand that, but when I went to the ICC and told them that I had 20+ years of construction experience and was licensed for 18 of those years they did not just issue me the R-5 designation on my say so, they made sit for the tests to prove what I said was true.
In the future CMI will need some kind of checks & balances to insure that the designation is not given out to those who are not worthy.
Ahhh…You the man Joe…now that is just about as perfect of an indicator as I can possibly think of…!!!
Whether the tests are open book or not, it takes a lot of knowledge “Period”…
Great idea, and Bravo…:mrgreen:
Ditto again…your on a roll Burkeson…!!
Joe Burkeson,
Can one earn the R-5 designation that you have without any construction experience simply by studying for and passing the exam? Or is a certain amount of hands-on experience required?
I have to disagree that the apple (a home inspection generalist) becomes a “master” by becoming an orange (a code certified inspector). They are two different things, entirely.
Does anyone know the answers to my questions in post #47?
Yes someone with no construction experience could pass the tests just from studying. But I think it would be much easier to pass with having a construction background.
I think the point is that there is a valid path for obtaining the R-5 designation. Which in my opinion is something that the CMI program lacks.
I would imagine Nick, wouldn’t you?
I talked to Joe this morning, I want him and Greg to come to Phoenix, I’m trying to round up enough candidates for their course.
Having the ICC certifications is the trump card above any association or state HI license as far as I’m concerned.
If someone told me they were a Certified Master Inspector, (by who?) or a certified ICC Inspector, the ICC certified inspector would get my vote bar-none.
I will say that your question is like a defense attorney asking if something is possible. We all know that anything is possible.
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
ICC certs are primatily book learnin only used mostly by civil servants.
My point in asking the question is to show that hypothetically a CMI could have 1,000 actual inspections or CE hours under their belt and yet know absolutely nothing. It is unlikely, but possible. We don’t know because we don’t use an exam.
But by the same token an R-5 could have passed the exam and yet have no practical experience. It is unlikely, but possible. We don’t know because R-5’s aren’t required to have any experience.
Off topic: Greg, NACHI TV and I are catching the red-eye flight to FL tomorrow night and will meet you 8 am Thursday morning on the job.
Looking forward to it. See you Thursday.
Inspectors are called upon to evaluate a lot of master tradesmen and specialist.
But they are not above these professionals in their field of expertise.
Yet, none of these skilled professionals can jump out there and cross over the
multitude of trade skills and write a report liable for judicial review, like the
home inspector is asked to do. At least I would not recommended trying it.
So an accomplished home inspector has indeed mastered a profession that
is unique, and unlike any other trade or skill. They cannot do our job properly,
regardless of how easy the vendors make it appear to become an inspector.
Therein lies some of the problem, is the fact that so many are doing inspections
with “easy speak motives” or vendor “cookie cutter” skills… no wonder
we have such a HUGE failure ratio in our industry.
An accomplished home inspector, who has honed his skills, has indeed
mastered a unique profession, that is not learned over night and is worthy of
respect, IMHO.
CMI seeks to recognize the upper 5% of the industry and offers them a
designation to help market this accomplishment. It is unique to our
industry and a fitting designation IMHO.
John,
The upper 5% of the industry doesn’t include inspectors with less than a year in the business. But there are many new inspectors calling themselves a master.
We have a high turnover because it takes much more than just inspection skills to be successful in this business. IMHO