Hi Electrical geniuses:mrgreen:
I looked at a house that was renovated from the 50’s. They updated to GFCI’s, which is obviously a good thing. My question is, do you have to have GFCI protection on the same side that a refrigerator is if it has water going to it…i.e. an icemaker?? Just seems to me there should be a GFCI if the fridge has water going to it. What do you guys think?
I’m not an elctrical genuis, but I would think not.
An errantly tripped or otherwise defective GFCI could spoil a lot of food without anyone even noticing until too late. The probability of food poisoning could outweigh the likelihood of being electrocuted by a fridge.
If the Fridge in question is in the basement or lets say a garage in question…and the plug is behind it…you do not need to place it on GFCI…is their anything wrong with it being on GFCI…nope…perfectly fine and has nothing to do with the “Water” running within it for an ice maker lets say.
We install the circuits in kitchens all the time as well…hit the fridge as the first receptacle…and then go to the next one…the first one on the counter and place a GFCI their…now everything beyond it is protected.
So in short…nope the fridge does not need to be on GFCI…even in a location that would require GFCI…like a unfinished basement…if the fridge is in place…and without going into too much detail…then it would not need to be on GFCI…but the others would.
I am sure it can be in YOUR area also…IF you wish to fight a good fight…they would have to adopt it formally…and in written down somewhere otherwise AHJ’s can’t re-write code or impose their own WILL…they can just define it as it is supposed to be written or per their …interpretations… and just possibly they MAY get it wrong…we are all human…AHJ’s want to learn like anyone else…educate them…
So while it may be the WAY in your area…could just be from their ignorance…or just lack of understanding of the NEC…
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for mandatory application by governmental bodies that exercise
legal jurisdiction over electrical installations, including
signaling and communications systems, and for use by
insurance inspectors. The authority having jurisdiction for
**enforcement of the *****Code ***has the responsibility for making interpretations of the rules, for deciding on the approval of equipment and materials, and for granting the special permission contemplated in a number of the rules.
By special permission, the authority having jurisdiction
may waive speci.c requirements in this *Code *or permit
alternative methods where it is assured that equivalent objectives
can be achieved by establishing and maintaining
This *Code *may require new products, constructions, or
materials that may not yet be available at the time the Code
is adopted. In such event, the authority having jurisdiction
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lol…water has nothing to do with GFCI placement…the NEC tells us where the GFCI’s need/should be…
I think you have a better chance of slipping and falling down the stairs during an inspection than to be electrocuted from the water line to the fridge leaking…since it is usually connected at the bottom of the fridge…
I was refering to the ignorance of the local AHJ if they demand something a certain way…even if the NEC allows something another way…not the inspector who posted it…it was a great point and makes for a great learning experience.
All this discussion is wonderful, but why didn’t anybosdy bring up the fact that outlets dedicated to appliances do not need GFCI’s. If a clothes washer does not require a GFCI, why would a fridge with an ice maker need one? I love this message board, but sometimes we just dance around the answer.
if we are speaking of a lets say floor freezer in a garage and lets say it is a duplex receptacle…and only (1) plug is being used and one is open it would still need to be GFCI protected.
As for safety…I would say it would need to be reported in the same way you would report on the GFCI on a countertop as GOOD ADVICE since we know the NEC is not retroactive.
BUT if we are talking about a receptacle ( duplex ) in a kitchen lets say…no need to report it…as they do not have to be on GFCI…remember only the counter is required these days in the kitchen…but the branch circuit small appliance circuit can also extend into the dining room, pantry and so on…so…in areas like unfinished basements and garages where the freezer only takes up HALF of the plug…and only half…and the rest is exposed…it needs to be GFCI…:)…if it is a single dedicated plug…it does not need to be…
Also I think you MISS the point…thats why the board is here…to elaborate and TEACH as the disussion grows…do you REALLY expect me or someone to cover all ISSUES IN A SINGLE POST…it has to GROW and we generally answer the question that is presented…because if we elaborated TOO MUCH…then you would come in saying…just get to the point and skip the other stuff…cant have it BOTH ways…
Thing is the recepetacle behind a fridge or freezer in a kitchen is NOT serving a counter, so NO GFI is required. Duplex or not. Period.
Kevin, your blanket statement above is not actually true. Receptacles dedicated to appliances have NO bearing on GFI requirements. It is the location of these receptacles that does.
A washer receptacle, for instance, if located within 6’ of a laundry sink requires GFI protection. NO exceptions.
A receptacle for a freezer in an unfinished basement, if not located directly behind the appliance, DOES require GFI protection.
So you see, it is not always as simple as it looks.