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A dying breed.
A growing majority of Americans are pro-life according the most recent gallop polls.
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The reports of our demise have been greatly exaggerated. Why the change in numbers?
Nothing units a people more than a common threat.
Joe already told you:
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It doesn’t make any more sense when you repeat than when Joe said it.
NOT AS LONG AS I GOT THAT GUN IN MY HAND!!!
Gotta go, off to target practice! Can you send me your picture so I have something to aim at??
Sorry Joe, I just realized I posted a quote from the members only section into the public section. It wasn’t up more than a couple minutes. It’s removed.
Give us your thoughts… you don’t need someone else to talk for you.
Let us have it.
Not interested.
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Not interested.
Or is it that you have nothing to back up your position?
BTW: It was a bunch or right wing, gun toting, whackos a few hundred years ago that have given even the freedom you enjoy today. Does Washington, Adams, Madison, etc. ring a bell???
Probably not, you ARE a product of the Wasnington State educational system! That explains much!!
On the request of the membership, I try to keep hot topics in the appropriate place. We have a fun one going right now if you care to join.
Don’t know where you live but here in Florida that behavior ain’t tolerated. I suggest for everyone’s benefit to can your hatred of another NACHI member on the public side of the board before you find yourself in trouble.
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They forgot the French how did that work out?
I have no hatred of Kevin, we do spar back and forth on political issues, mostly in good fun, am I sarcastic? yes.
I realize that your state is more “civilized”, but we are the old west, guns for hunting and protection is a way of life in these parts.
Kevin and I live in the same state, and I can assure you, he can take care of himself!
Get a sense of humor!!
A historian will argue with the accuracy of the information presented in the original post.
You see…the colonists who supported the King and their “mother land”, England, were the conservatives. They did not want or appreciate their liberal minded younger generation of radicals who decided to buck the system that they had labored and died to build.
The forefathers that you have mistakenly called “conservatives” were young men in their twenties and early thirties for the most part, and were of a generation that had been born in the colonies and felt no allegiance or ties of any kind to Europe, as their aging and more conservative parents and grandparents did.
So…being young, liberal, and idealistic…they took it upon themselves to disavow their heritage and declare themselves “independent” from the government that had been supporting them, fiscally, and protecting them, physically.
When they did…the conservatives who remained loyal to the King and to England…worked against them and gave support to their government troops who fought them.
But there were never a more liberal, rash and idealistic group of young men to ever form a government than the forefathers that today’s conservatives embrace.
AND TODAYS LIBERALS? THEY STAND AGAINST MOST EVERYTHING THOSE OLDER, AND MUCH WISER, LIBERALS STOOD FOR!!! So, I guess todays conservatives are just “old time” liberals??
Look at the word “conservative” and you get a better picture. A conservative is “conserving” or “hanging on” to his traditions. It is usually the older person who has become accustomed to such traditions, for “traditions” are not “traditions” until they have been repeated for some period of time.
The liberal is wanting to “liberate” himself from what he considers to be “old truths” and create a better life for himself than he perceives that those who preceded him did.
The conservatives of colonial America wanted to “conserve” a society that had lived for hundreds of years…and remain loyal to their king. Their young sons wanted to be “liberated”…or, as they would proclaim, “give me liberty, or give me death”…and other liberal shouts of defiance. The beloved king of the conservative colonist was a “tyrant” to his liberal son.
Liberal vs Conservative
The terms “liberal” and “conservative” are relative to a standard and therefore change over time as conditions change. For example, if a nation is governed by a monarchy, and there is movement to remove the monarchy and replace it with a democratic government, those individuals supporting the movement would be labeled “liberal.” (The term liberal originates from the Latin, liber, meaning “free.”) Those who wished to retain the monarchy would be called “conservative.” (From the Latin conservare, “to preserve or retain.”)
Now, suppose the monarchy is finally replaced, and a democratic government is installed; then the “liberals” will have won. Now, suppose after a generation or so, there is another movement to change the democratic government to a socialist government. Then those in favor of the new movement would again be “liberals,” and those wanting to retain the democracy would be “conservatives.”
The same definition is in force regardless of the kind of government that exists: those working to change the government are the liberals, and those wanting to retain it are conservatives.
American Liberals and Conservatives
Our Founding Fathers were “liberals.” They wanted to change their government from a monarchy to a democracy. After they succeeded in declaring
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independence from the English monarchy and instituting a democratic constitution, our new nation came into existence. We then had a democratic republic, not a monarchy.
Because our nation has existed as a democratic republic for several generations, those who support the ideals of those liberal Founding Fathers are now conservatives, and those who wish to change our government’s basic principles are now liberals.
Modern American Liberals
Modern American liberals are those who wish to change the democratic republic to a socialist from of government. They do not use the term “socialist” because the term connotes negativity to most Americans. But liberals promote the growth of government by high taxation and regulation, which leads to government control of every aspect of daily life.
Socialism is the springboard to communism. According to Karl Marx, at the socialist stage from capitalism to communism, the government owns all means of production under a dictatorship until that means of production can be turned over to the “people.”
The Marxist-Leninist Theory, of course, may sound good, at first. How utopian for all the people equally to own and profit from the means of production! Yet, how utterly unfeasible, unwieldy, and impossible! That is why the practical outcome of that theory has never been realized. Historically, it stops at the government-as-dictator stage, as we see with Fidel Castro’s Cuba, Mao’s China, Stalin’s Soviet Union, and other nations suffering long-term dictatorships.
For more information about socialism, please see Socialism
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Maybe so, but those that died did so for your freedoms. You can’t seem to appreciate that.
That is bat-hockey, and you know it. The “membership” you speak of is a handful of self-appointed “thread police”.