Is this a new way to ground a GFCI?

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

@Mike_Arbusto

Let me go against the grain here: Yes, pulling receptacles out of the wall may be outside an HI’s SOP, even though it’s every person’s own business.
That said, if I hear that something has just been done/replaced/installed (e.g. a new circuit, bunch of GFCI’s, what have you), I too would want to check out the workmanship.
Christopher did, and voila: he found a very unsafe condition.
How else would have that been discovered?
No, I would not go scoping inside the walls, and checking every light fixture as was suggested.
But inspecting any “new work” closely, in my very humble opinion, can be justified.

Thanks Mike.

I know this is wrong and would be very unsafe at a regular receptacle. But is it that unsafe or dangerous at a GFCI? That was my question/concern.

All of the GFI’s tripped when using button on receptacle, circuit tester with built-in test button, and with 3-prong tester.

Would the GFCI be capable of preventing any issues?

[ccurrins (Christopher Currins, CMI)]

@Mike_Arbusto

Let me go against the grain here: Yes, pulling receptacles out of the wall may be outside an HI’s SOP, even though it’s every person’s own business.
That said, if I hear that something has just been done/replaced/installed (e.g. a new circuit, bunch of GFCI’s, what have you), I too would want to check out the workmanship.
Christopher did, and voila: he found a very unsafe condition.
How else would have that been discovered?
No, I would not go scoping inside the walls, and checking every light fixture as was suggested.
But inspecting any “new work” closely, in my very humble opinion, can be justified.

Thanks Mike.

I know this is wrong and would be very unsafe at a regular receptacle. But is it that unsafe or dangerous at a GFCI? That was my question/concern.

All of the GFI’s tripped when using button on receptacle, circuit tester with built-in test button, and with 3-prong tester.

Would the GFCI wired this way be capable of preventing any issues?

[cfrendzel (Carl Frendzel)]

@Mike_Arbusto

Let me go against the grain here: Yes, pulling receptacles out of the wall may be outside an HI’s SOP, even though it’s every person’s own business.
That said, if I hear that something has just been done/replaced/installed (e.g. a new circuit, bunch of GFCI’s, what have you), I too would want to check out the workmanship.
Christopher did, and voila: he found a very unsafe condition.
How else would have that been discovered?
No, I would not go scoping inside the walls, and checking every light fixture as was suggested.
But inspecting any “new work” closely, in my very humble opinion, can be justified.

I know Russell Hensel’s people do it, but then he has multi inspectors.

There is a lot of things you can do (like Russell’s team does), in that situation.

-Carl

[Mike_Arbusto]

@ccurrins

Thanks Mike.

I know this is wrong and would be very unsafe at a regular receptacle. But is it that unsafe or dangerous at a GFCI? That was my question/concern.

All of the GFI’s tripped when using button on receptacle, circuit tester with built-in test button, and with 3-prong tester.

Would the GFCI wired this way be capable of preventing any issues?

Here’s an issue that I can see with a bootleg-grounded GFCI (or any bootleg grounded receptacle):
Yes, even a bootleg-grounded GFCI will protect a person against a ground-fault shock from an appliance* plugged into* it or *downstream *from it.
However, with a bootleg ground, the current returning to the panel via an unintended path, (external metal parts of wiring, such as metal junction boxes, cable armor, cable fittings, etc.) can create an unsafe condition around those parts, such as arcing (which can result in a fire) or voltage differences that can result in a shock.

And, since those conditions exist upstream from a GFCI receptacle (between the receptacle and the breaker), that receptacle cannot detect a fault on that part of the circuit.
Long story short, a GFCI with no ground at all is much better than one with a bootleg ground.