Don’t underestimate the vindictivness of certain competitors or friends of such vendors. Annonymous phone calls are all the rage with some unsavory types. :humph:
Agreed Jeff:
But:
The “offender” would surly be gone by the time an enforcement officer arrived.
They would have to catch you in the act to lay a charge.
Cheers
But-but: Au contraire mon Frère!
The latest thing is for some contractors and nosy neighbours dropping a dime on unsuspecting lawbreakers.
The west end (Miss, Milton, Brampton) is so busy with developing that inspectors just come by and fill their quotas very quickly. Nothing worse than someone getting fined and looking for a target to pass their frustrating experience onto.
That’s basically what I was inferring, Pat.
But…
Don’t forget… “A picture says a thousand words”… enough for “the authorities” to investigate, see the roof was replaced, or inspected, and find out no gov’t inspector was on-site to verify compliance. Me’thinks the photos will become evidence that you can’t contest!
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In the London area we have been warned that MOL inspectors are sitting down the street using binoculars!
That’s what we were warned of in this area as well!
They need money…
Thanks Bryce!
I certainly did not mean to skew the post.
All the best you guys next door.
As well, happy new year.
I concur.
What’s the ideal situation Bryce.
I tie off ladders, stay away from steep slopes?
Getting to the starter course and measuring slope is ideal.
Next year, ops, this year I am purchasing another drone. My last one committed suicide or like Free Willy, decided open water appeared to be an ideal place to go wandering and be free.
$1,000.00 down the drain, but I do admit I did not purchase a good model.
Tie off your ladder work and inspect the starter course?
Flat roof should be exempt or am I mistaken?
Best.
As per the regulations:
For any height greater than 3 M (ca. 9,8 Ft) where a ladder is being used, proper tie down and safety equipment must be used.
I.e. If the attic hatch is 10 ft of the ground, you need to do the dance.
Flat rooves are NOT exempt!
Drone usage is now heavily regulated across Canada, not just Ontario. For commercial use, there are many regulations about distance to buildings, people, airports… A good number of these changes are also applicable to “Mr. and Mrs. Everybody”.
Heavy fines and/or cage time if you get caught - And yes, they actually have inspectors roaming around.
Pat, I have had my CSST safety card for decades.
I have to renew this year.
It is not hard to tie down a ladder on a gutter or even rails/guardrails off the front steps.
What is required, I offered for 2 years when I first got involved inspecting, courses to mount roofs.
Once you are above the eave, with your ladder tied off and extended 3’ feet higher, you can check the first course, lift shingles, take a slope reading, or MOUNT a flat roof.
If you are not working on a flat roof you can navigate the surface without getting close to the parameter. no need for fencing. Get real. been in the trades all my life and followed regulations to the letter. been vetted by them all, Pat.
Most of the laws in place are for builders and renovators.
Someone has to get in front of the CSST training and the government to inform them inspectors are mostly exempt with little training required.
Deaths from builders/renovators started/caused this safety amendment.
I have been saying for 6 years now, get all the members into CSST training for your safety certificate in the winter when things are slower for many.
I have been to the RBQ, CSST and other government agencies LONG before anyone else. Even the OACIQ.
They ALL told me I was the first home inspector they had ever seen and thought I had some great ideas.
That’s six years now with little to nothing being done.
Time to get members together.
Montreal members, tell me if you wish to start a montreal training chapter. I am ready to start one.
BUNK!
BUNK!
Pat, I hate to say this but you sound like a law enforcer/dictator, with little real knowledge. You are spouting generalized text from a fraction of a manual I suspect.
If you had full CSST training, full training, you would understand what I mean.
There are exemptions under certain conditions.
An attic hatch 10 " feet above the ground.
Even if you wore a five point harness, which I gave away to six months ago and have been wearing for almost 40 years, attached to the 6 ft. DeCoil Lanyard and fell off a ladder of from the hatch, fat chance, you would hit the flooring and wish you never wore the damn nuisance. You would hit the floor almost at full weight velocity as well as tangle yourself up in the ladder.
Mr. Young:
Unlike You, I have certification in Ontario, as per the Ontario regulations for Ontario, Obtained from the Ontario ministry at an Ontario Government approved provider.
What do you know about the Ontario regulations and jurisdiction? As per usual, you spout your biased opinion out of your tailpipe without having details in an effort to insult someone.
You don’t know me, have never met me and don’t know what experience, knowledge or qualifications I possess.
How are you making your claim of my statements being bunk? If you had spent time reading the thread instead of being an ignorant arse, you would have seen that this is exactly what others and myself have been discussing.
You make comments about many of us without knowing us or knowing any of our background. All this to be part of an ignorant group who thinks they are above the rest: Shame on you.
One would have thought 2017 would have been different but…
As per usual a BOD acts professional.
Could you provide a link as evidence to your statement please, Pat.
Let me use your words.
“For any height greater than 3 M (ca. 9,8 Ft) where a ladder is being used, proper tie down and safety equipment must be used.”
What safety equipment please.
here is a link Pat. Ontario ministry of labour.
Pay close attention to [this link](2.6 Mutual Recognition of Occupational Health and Safety Training 2.6.1 Ontario and Quebec recognize that construction workers, in addition to being qualified or certified to work in a particular trade, need training in occupational health and safety. In Quebec, such training is compulsory–workers must take a course entitled “Santé et sécurité générale sur les chantiers de construction” (Health and Safety on Construction Sites). In Ontario, instruction in occupational health and safety is available in a number of courses and is also incorporated into trade-specific certification and training programs).
2.6.1
Ontario and Quebec recognize that construction workers, in addition to being qualified or certified to work in a particular trade, need training in occupational health and safety. In Quebec, such training is compulsory–workers must take a course entitled “Santé et sécurité générale sur les chantiers de construction” (Health and Safety on Construction Sites). In Ontario, instruction in occupational health and safety is available in a number of courses and is also incorporated into trade-specific certification and training programs.
Please explain to us what trade we are considered? Hmm?
You have any such training?
Please share.
As per usual, you are trying to cause trouble and then write further insults.You didn’t even answer the question.
Since you’re such a smart dude: What classification have Home Inspectors been put in
Ontario? What has been done and discussed with who? by Whom? When?
Having been involved in all this together with many Colleagues, I have the data as do many others who have been discussing this matter for a very long period.
You are a lost cause and are too much of an ignorant individual for me to spend time trying to have any conversation with.
Good bye.
Interesting Glad to hear you have the data . Be great if you would share all this data and Information so all the other Ontario NACHI Inspectors could make use of it . Thanks … Roy
Let’s start over Pat.
My opinion changed in 2016.
You start Pat.
Please explain to the members why they should dance?
Because you were in discussions with the provincial government?
1: Pat, if an opening is 10 feet high, a residential attic lets say, can use a 8’, 7’ or ’ 6’ foot ladder without tie downs and lift yourself into the space?
What would you use to tie down a ladder in a home?
Would a set of outriggers work?
What about a boelsums chair to repel yourself into the opening tied to the upper cord and back down again?
What about moveable scaffolding, rolling stock less than 10 feet high? What should the rolling stock come equipped with.
Hydraulic or mechanical Aerial platforms.
What is the operator’s and occupants safety standards?
Can you carry loads with the boom?
If you are inspecting electrical service equipment and plumbing, do you lock out upstream service or piping as you inspect?
What are lockout procedures?
Who keeps the log?
Where are keys kept?
Please explain the dance part about residential inspections?
What trade do inspectors fall under?
I take it you are telling everyone what to do and not opening dialog?
Just do as I say. here is what the government, to which I was in dialogue with, says to me to demand from home inspectors.
Been using required anti movement, anti sway and tiedown devices and even made my own while contractor friends laughed at me insuring my men and keeping them safe.
As labour site foreman I was recognised for my safety. I informed men not asked them to dance Pat.
Hope I made my point about communicating.
Yes, many things would be great!
The information about regulations is available to those who have taken the course and paid for it.
The rest of the information about meetings and activities has been shared with the corresponding Membership by various Associations. Where is the information you gathered up for InterNACHI and us Members?
What a poor way to go through life I have shared my information for 14 years ,
Smart answer’s sure does little to help our Home inspectors
Roy, happy to see there is such information out there being discussed.
I guess I am a trouble maker. I agree Pat. So sorry.
Pat, no one has to dance.
All CSST courses are provided by provincial governments. Quebec safety courses are acceptable in Ontario. That is why I provided the like.
I have provided links and information many times.
.https://eduperformance.com/en/healthandsafety/
http://www.csst.qc.ca/en/pages/352_faq_en_faq_general.aspx