Ontario legislation

Home Inspection Legislation Ontario

“It doesn’t mean anything, that they have a license or that they have errors and omissions insurance.”
…This says it all doesn’t it.

This legislation in its present form should never be adopted and should never be recognized by any organization such as RECO or lending institutions. (my opinion)

Home inspection should be a profession and should be dealt with like other professions… such as the AIC, CAFP, Engineering, etc. The current proposal argues in favour of the RHI as the only qualifying designation that has the existing structure reflecting the forward looking “trade”. This is a hollow view, in my opinion.

A home is typically a highly leveraged investment. Would you borrow $300,000 and take investment advice from someone who completed 8-10 courses on investing? Investing in a home is primarily agreeable because the purchaser thinks the home value will always go up. Also there is the physical aspect… the owner can see and touch the home unlike owning $300K of Royal Bank shares.

A home inspector needs to be knowledgeable, respectful and ensure that the client understands the true condition of the home.

8-10 home inspection courses are not sufficient to cover the depth and breath needed : neither a trade card. This is nuts. You are dealing with hundreds of thousands of dollars. The significance requires a university degree along with specific courses such as those already offered from UBC and others. The process of reaching the highest level of competence should take years along with continuing proctored studies.

This is a CBC report
Exclusive: Buyers left with big bills when home inspectors miss defects

"It doesn’t mean anything, that they have a license or that they have errors and omissions 	insurance."
Denton has filed a lawsuit against inspector C. S, who used to be the president of the 	Canadian Association of Home and Property Inspectors of B.C.
In her notice of civil claim, she alleges C.S failed to follow the standard practices of his 	association.
Denton claims he missed the fact that her home was structurally unsound, with extensive 	water damage, a hole in the roof, asbestos in the air ducts, and visibly rotten sill plates 	and posts.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/buyers-left-with-big-bills-when-home-inspectors-miss-defects-1.1330879


I don’t think it is much of a stretch for a home buyer to conclude that “one hour or so” is not sufficient to perform any kind of a reasonable home inspection.
Worse, it appears that this is the standard practice of Mr K.L, RHI
The judge found in favour of the plaintiffs,

Here are some of the defects missed by Mr K.L. RHI

(i) pronounced settlement of the front porch;
(ii) cracking and settlement of the concrete driveway adjacent to the residence;
(iii) cracks in the masonry adjacent to the chimney on the south elevation;
(iv) masonry step cracking at the southeast corner;
(v) vertical masonry cracks below the east elevation window;
(vi) front entry door and frame not square;
(vii) significant deflection of the floor joists below the kitchen area;
(viii) load bearing walls within the crawlspace installed with concrete brick below each stud, with the bricks bearing directly on the concrete slab on grade;
(ix) as noted above, the floor framing within the kitchen is depressed with a slope clearly evident within the kitchen;
(x) cracks evident in the living/dining room interior finishes;
(xi) crack in slab on grade floor of crawlspace parallel to and approximately three feet from the south foundation wall and deflection of floor toward the south; and
(xii) doorway between the kitchen and foyer out of plumb.

This story is 3 years old…
A lot has developed since…

Best regards,
Pat

well the opinion can’t be 3 years old… I just wrote it yesterday. The citations are simply to point out that “qualified” inspectors do what they want and have no regard for SOP

Which brings us back to SOP. In my experience in reviewing 100’s of home inspection reports that accompany a test inspection process, failing to fulfill meeting the SOP is one of the biggest problems in technical report writing.

Ultimately the report provided by the home inspector fails in one of two areas - 1) as noted above, and 2) failing to report the significant defects and the implication it has on the client.

Again it’s not a designation that is the issue, it’s more about the H.I’s ability to report in a fair, reasonable and accurate manner. Simple fact - approximately 20% failed field testing of a TIPR home inspection with the pass rate set at 80% for must finds. So yes there is some relevance to the original post in this thread.

In that regards, you are correct - And I should have better read your post :slight_smile: Seems many inspectors tend to “make it up” as they go these days. The end result is that concerns (major or not) are overlooked and/or missed altogether.
Designations are irrelevant in this type of practice… Certainly, like all designations, the “mighty” RHI has some questionable members.

Best regards,
Pat

Interesting statement ( RHI has some questionable members.) Looks to me like Pat is talking about him self
( Seems many inspectors tend to “make it up” as they go these days. ) .
I Have been in this industry for many years and was in OAHI for many years know many OAHI RHI members and have no reason to think any OAHI RHI members are using the RHI who should not be doing this . Patrick has twice been late paying his dues to OntarioACHI .
Most organisation’s dues not paid and out you go.
As A director you would think he would make sure things are done correctly.

Hey Old man

Do you ever think the volunteer that inputs the information about who has paid was busy and did not post it at the exact time he paid?

No you did not because you are a miserable old man who posts about something he knows nothing about.

Here are some facts for you

You were expelled from here in the past for unethical behaviour and should not have been allowed back.

You posted about a tragedy in my family and changed the facts to suit your sick demented mind.

InterNachi did the decent thing and deleted all threads about this, now if only they would delete you.

Now go over to the OAHI message board where you belong as you support them over InterNachi

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I can posts links showing the opposite

You are a disgrace to the industry and should leave

You continue to break the COE even when warned.

You crossed a line with me and are a miserable piece of S H I T

Does your wife know your a 2 faced liar or have you fooled her as well? How about your kids?

Maybe I should send them a copy of what you posted here about my family

I was told Jim has a real alcohol problem ,And that is why his inspection Business did not last .
Please for give him it looks like he has no control over his emotions .
If you have a look he has few friends and does not seem to offer any help to any NACHI members .
He has attacked various Home inspectors over the years .

He has sent me threating letters that could get him in trouble .
Its sad to see one of our Inspectors act like this .
Please wish him well and hope he does get his Drinking under control.

Well Roy it seems that the inspectors hit with the largest court settlements in Canada were both RHIs. Designations don’t really make any difference if you don’t take the necessary care to do the job properly.

Roy …You just can’t stop ******** about Ontarioachi or its members…NONE of YOUR business … you are worse then a school girl!:roll: The website isn’t always up to date! There are much more POSITIVE things to do then worrying about updating a website

The RHI (about to be repealed) status has nothing on anyone in fact they are trying to keep up with other associations qualifications.
You constantly defend the Oahi …then go join them…if you can! I don’t think it will be FREE like you enjoy here and you wouldn’t be allowed to spread your BS like you do here.

Two OntarioACHI Directors Below ,
I wonder why you never tell us how many paid members there are .
I think way less then 100 . Why are you so afraid of giving out this information

Standards & Discipline***


***Committee Chair ***

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[/FONT]Mark Ellison

discipline@ontarioachi.ca

https://www.ontarioachi.ca/get_profile.php?id=659

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Expiry Date

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2016-01-30

2017-01-29

Membership awaiting renewal

OntarioACHI directorCommittee chair

Bryson Bumstead

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https://www.ontarioachi.ca/get_profile.php?id=280

Current Status

Full Member

2015-11-23

2016-11-22

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Scott: Put him on your ignore list like I did! It really brings the stress level down!

He has nothing positive to say unless he’s bragging about himself or OAHI… Everything else is just his own ignorant biased opinion in an effort to troll others into his pit of crap.
Just wait, the other troll is coming to put in his biased and bs opinion any moment… Put him on the list too.
They both have nothing to do but criticize the others thinking they are above reproach.

There’s just so many better individuals to deal with than this pair of small minded and ignorant cyberbullies.

Best regards,
Pat

Interesting to see two OntarioACHI directors who do nothing for the industry .

Now to be respectful to all here, which is hard to do seeing the continuing mistakes by a director, all the education in the world will not stop you from aligning your business with conflicted interests if you choose to do so.

How many inspectors are coerced to softening the reports to obtain free referrals?
5 will likely get you 10, almost all.

A recognised educator is recognised.
None more so than InterNACHI.

The need to increase the BAR height is a waste of time when you are barking up the wrong legislation tree.

A committee of home inspection association and educational directors should ask THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT to look at amending or adding amendments to the real estate act, to allow real estate agents to recommend home inspections during the purchase of a home. RECOMMEND!

Robert almost all realtors recommend a home inspection and in Ontario are required to have the client sign off on not obtaining one. That said in some markets they will also advise the clients that holding out for a home inspection will often mean the offer is not accepted by the seller who may have many other “clean” offers to chose from.

Much thanks Bruce.

I was told by a certain director it was not required.
WOW!!!

Buyer beware I guess.

I posted the answer to this here…I am sure that you read it!

I’ve run out of popcorn. Anyone know where I can get some more?