Be real carefule here my friend as Paul is a very close and personal friend of mine. I was chief moderator of his old site.
As Paul would say himself, “don’t quote me unless you can copy and paste the quote”
I did talk to Paul and Mike I know his position!
If you had talked with him as you claim then you would know not believe
One more time my friend tread lightly. All it will take is the push of two buttons on my phone to have his voice in my ear.
I have talked with Paul more times than you have talked with your children. We are both nothing short of being experts in the field.
There is nothing you can tell me about that man that I don’t already know.
Go ahead I have his # on speed dial.
I will also say that you can refute this until the sun goes down. My statement in Home Gauge stays until someone says it is safer to not have a ground on a GFCI and labeled.
You put what ever you want in your report Kevin.
It’s still wrong.
Have you contacted Home Gauge yet?
As far as not being teachable. Absolutely correct because I have seen enough mistakes in teaching that have resulted in death.
Really?
Share some of them.
How many times do you have to be told and shown?
As to what you use in your reports I could care less as it will be a reflection to you not me.
For those with knowledge your report will do nothing but show your lack of knowledge. For those without knowledge they will have no idea about what your are talking about in the first place.
Can’t share something that don’t exist
Oh I bet he will share something.
He’s a legend in his own mind and a CMI :roll:
If that is a fact, then I would agree with that it would make no difference. However, I have tested GFCI outlets with both my tester and the test button on the device which had power but did not trip with either.
Not once in this thread did anyone say a non-grounded GFI was safer than a grounded one. Stop changing your argument.
At that point it is just a receptacle. You would write up that the GFI was defective and replacement was needed.
The newer GFI’s lock out the power when defective.
True it is just a receptacle, and when I find it is defective a replacement is recommended for sure, if it were in a location that required a GFCI device.
What I am suggesting is that the HG statement can be clarified so as not to be misunderstood or misleading as there are circumstances that would make a GFCI outlet safer if it were grounded as opposed to not grounded. I agree with everyone that the mere fact that is not grounded does not make it less safe, so long as the ground fault protection is working properly.
I don’t argue with Electricians. I just tell them where to go!
How often do they laugh at you?
Still waiting for you examples of teaching that mistakes resulting in death.
You said you had them. Post them.
Or are you just making things up again?
Can anyone **verify **the alleged **HG **statement is actually as HG has it (word for word) in their software???
Knowing Kevin’s penchant for “making up his own codes”, wouldn’t surprise me if he changed it years ago, “and forgot”. :roll:
Also… doesn’t most software have “disclaimers” stating that the “end user” is responsible for the accuracy of any “content”???
The sad part is that he tells them where to go but should there be something that in his opinion needs attention he will defer it to someone. I can’t help who he defers it too.
When it comes to the home inspector’s electrical inspection I carry more power in my words than the HI. My words (the electrician) can either agree or refute that of the HI.
So tell me where to go!